The other day I mentioned that I have been engaged in several different discussions, and thought it might be beneficial to redirect one of the conversations here (which I have been having with a Muslim), continuing it on the blog rather than through private correspondence. In this way, not only can others read and benefit, but other Muslims might be able to join in as well and help my Muslim friend out. He is having a terrible time proving his case.
I have been asking him for proof that Muhammad was a prophet. At the same time he has been calling on me to prove that Jesus was/is God.
As for the former, I have maintained that there is no proof that Muhammad was a prophet sent by God, insofar as there are no bona-fide predictions from the former prophets witnessing to Muhammad's coming, insofar as Muhammad made no accurate predictions himself that could only come from God, and insofar as Muhammad performed no miracles or otherwise pointed to any sign from God that is commensurate with proving the claim that "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah". In short, I have maintained that there is no independent proof of Muhammad's prophethood that is consistent with the sorts of confirmatory signs that the former prophets came with, or some other proof that he can provide that cannot come from anyone other than God.
I have also shown that his case is greatly compounded by the fact that, although some prophets did not perform miracles, as he rightly pointed out, their coming was either prophesied or otherwise attested by God in some way, such as through another God-confirmed prophet, and, together with this, that the Qur'an itself obligates Muslims to find just such proof, i.e. proof in the prior Scriptures for Muhammad.
As for the latter challenge, his challenge to me to show that Jesus was/is God, I supplied many verses. Of course, he made the artificial restriction common to Muslims that confirmation of Christ's deity from the Scriptures had to be: 1) made by Jesus Himself not the prophets before him, or the apostle's who were commissioned to speak in His name (What gives, I thought Muslims believed in the previous prophets and made no distinction between any of them?); and 2) it had to be direct and explicit, i.e. it couldn't be the sort of thing where Jesus received or positively commended someone else for saying or responding to Him in a way only appropriate for deity.
Of course, I do not except this methodology, for I believe that the former prophets spoke from God, as did the apostle's, something Muslims (in their own muddled way) pay lip-service to but never carry out in their practice. Nevertheless, I have sought to be magnanimous and so have happily obliged my Muslim friend and submitted myself to these strictures for the time being.
Accordingly, my first proof that Christ Himself, in His own person, from His own lips, in a direct and explicit fashion, claimed to be God is from Revelation 1, where it is written: "7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. 8 'I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.'"
Regarding this passage, my Muslim friend has, as yet, made no comment. In the course of our conversation we have spoken of various and sundry other things as well, such as prostration in prayer, fasting, textual integrity of the Bible and the Qur'an and more. But the foregoing topics have been at the heart of our conversation and have taken up the bulk of our correspondence.
I wrote my Muslim friend and told him I was redirecting things here, and welcome him or any other Muslim to comment and help him out. I also welcome anyone else into this discussion who wishes to comment. My Muslim friend is also free, provided these topics are not skirted, to bring up any of the other subjects we have talked about or that he would like to initiate a discussion on.
I look forward to what he (or anyone else) has to say.
To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them (Isaiah 8).
And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (between right and wrong), there was a chance for you to be guided aright. (Qur'an, S. 2:53, Yusuf Ali)
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i agree to engage you in your blog.
But first you must assure me that you will answer my questions to the point and not providing " evasive " responses which you are very adept.
Otherwise it would be pointless !
Peace !
I don't believe I have been evasive. But the beauty of continuing our correspondence in this public format is that if you think at any point that I am doing that, then you are free to point it out, as you can be sure I will.
So, please don't hesitate or be fearful to post your case here that Muhammad is a prophet, an apostle, and a messenger of God. Give us Muhammad's divine credentials to prophethood. Where is the proof that "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"? I maintain that there is not the slightest bit of evidence for such a claim.
Conversely, I have already given the first of a barrage of proofs to follow that Christ is God (i.e., Revelation 1:7-8).
I look forward to seeing what you have to say.
I will also pray that this will be a fruitful discussion for both of us, and that it will, above all, be pleasing in the sight of God.
Also, I should add, if you choose to make your comments anonymously, you run the risk of being confused with someone else who also wants to keep their identity a secret.
Prophet Muhammed - The Final Prophet
mgsgtbvani wrote : ( PART I )
Hi Tony,
I refer to your question ““ What proof do you have the Muhammad was a prophet of God?”
I had given my reply dated 5th Sept citing many prophesies from the Noble Qur’An and the Bible as well as several reasons as to why the said prophesies were referring to Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
I had also requested that in event you don’t agree that these prophesies were referring to Prophet Muhammed then…to produce your candidate with logical reasons.
As expected you did not accept my candidate…not for any reason but for “ BLIND REJECTION “.
In addition upto today, you failed to produce your candidate inspite of my several reminders.
You had instead evaded my reminders by throwing lots of red herrings to divert the issue at hand.
After much consideration, I understood you must be stressed out for not being able to secure a “ suitable “ candidate to challenge Prophet Muhammed’s candidacy.
Further you must also be carrying a “ splitting “ headache on how to respond to the 41 contradictions and errors I quoted from the Bible.
Having stated the above, I have decided to be generous by relieving you of your obligations.
You are now free and need not respond to my several reminders..
Now my dear brother, lets make a fresh start with your question …
.” What proof do you have that Muhammed was a prophet of God ?
Don’t worry I will only quote few verses from the Noble Qur’an and the Bible to answer your question.
So lets begin.
Noble Qur’An say….
…"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"
“ It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- “ ( Noble Quran Ch 62 : 2 )
According to Holy Bible, upto the advent of Jesus Christ, the Jewish Nation were waiting for the fulfilment of 3 more Prophets
Holy Bible say :
John Ch 1 :
19…this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests & Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20.. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21.. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Eli'jah ? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that Prophet (Deut 18:18) ? And he answered, No.
25… And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Eli'jah, neither that Prophet?
The Priests and Levites posed 3 questions to John the Baptist :
Are you the Christ ?
Are you Eli’jah ?
Are you that Prophet ?
We know that Jesus was the Christ aka Messiah.
According to Jesus, John the Baptist was Eli’jah..(see Matt Ch17 :10-13)
The third prophesy of “ that Prophet “ is yet to be fulfilled.
In King James Version, it shows that “ that Prophet “ refers to a prophesy in Deuteronomy Ch18 : 18.
02) Deut Ch 18 : 18 state “ I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him “.
I will list below the following reasons why we Muslims say the above mentioned Prophesy was referring to Prophet Muhammed :
To have a deeper understanding on the description “ brethren “ , let us start from Deuteronomy 17:15
"Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee whom the LORD thy God shall choose. One from among thy brethren shalt thou set as king over thee; thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, who is not thy brother." ( Deuteronomy 17:15 )
"Brethren"
As Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages, the word ‘brethren’ in English is known as ‘Akh’ in Arabic and ‘Awkh’ ( ) in Hebrew. The correct definition of the word brethren, Akh, or Awkh is
1) Brother
a) brother of same parents
b) half-brother (same father)
c) relative, kinship, same tribe
d) each to the other (reciprocal relationship)
e) (fig.) of resemblance
The reality is that, this word ‘brethren’ is very vast in its meaning, since you can notice from the wide range of meaning, which this word has.
Ishmael; The First Born
As the Prophecy reads as follows: "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......."
The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren."
You see, the Holy Bible speaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.' (Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and seed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, who was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.
Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18).
The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren.
MUHAMMAD THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!
After thinking over the word ‘brethren’, a common sense minded person will agree to me, that, being a ‘brethren’ is not the ‘ACID TEST’ for proving the eligible Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18. Since there are so many ‘Brethren’ prophets among the Israelites themselves i.e. Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – and then Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – among the children of Ishmaelite (who is the elder brother of Isaac – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –) is also their (Israelites) ‘Brethren’.
So, no one can decide, that who the ‘Eligible’ Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18 is.
ACID TESTS
In the following are the points, which are the only “ACID TESTS” to determine the ‘Eligible’ Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18.
PART : I
Prophet Muhammed - The Final Prophet
Mgsgtbvani wrote : PART II
1ST ACID TEST
“Like Unto Thee”
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren LIKE UNTO THEE, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him." Deuteronomy 18:18
This is a very important verse and a lot have been said upon it from the Christendom side. They want to disprove the Muslim point over this verse. Remember, there is no cure of envy in the whole world. It is same as, if you wear yellow glasses, the whole environment will be yellowish to you, and if, you wear bluish glasses, the whole environment will be bluish to you. So, throw away the glasses of envy and seek the truth.
As a student of truth, I am prepared to accept the truth, if it comes from the other side, but if, the truth comes from my side, then I want you to do the same. Now, being the seeker of truth let us analyze this verse, but with great care.
As, this verse is prophesizing about a coming person. Ask any Christian that who is prophesized in this verse? Without the slightest hesitation he will answer: "JESUS!"
Now when we ask him "Why Jesus? His name is not mentioned here." He will reply: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this prophecy are - like unto thee, - LIKE YOU - like Moses, and Jesus is like Moses.
Now, when we ask our Christian brother "In which way is Jesus like Moses?" His reply will be
"In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW; secondly, Moses was known by God "face to face," meaning God spoke to him directly and Jesus was also known by God "face to face,"; thirdly, Moses performed awesome miracles and Jesus also performed awesome miracles - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses - " like unto thee"."
If these are the only criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblical personages after Moses: - Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Eli’jah, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – etc., because they were also ALL "Jews" as well as known by God "face to face,". Why should we not apply this prophecy to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus?
As far as Miracles are concerned, they do not prove even Prophethood, or whether a man is true or false. Jesus himself said:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24
If false prophets and false Christs can perform miraculous feats, then these wonders or miracles is not the criteria to determine a true prophet. As I mentioned earlier, ONLY SMALL MINDS WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY THESE WONDERS AND MIRACLES !!
John the Baptist, according to Jesus, was the greatest of the Israelite prophets. Greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and all, including Jesus himself.
"Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist..." Matthew 11:11
1. was Jesus not born of a woman ?
2. The Baptist – greater than "all", yet he performed not a single miracle!
Miracles are no standards of judging truth and falsehood.
So, you see Tony, according to Bible, Miracles prove nothing, just nothing. We Muslims too do not take miracles as a big, big thing. So, please don’t be overwhelmed. .
Along with above claims, I have come across some Christians saying:
"One could just as well say Jesus was the promised prophet because, like Moses but unlike Muhammad, he was saved from death as a baby (Exo 1:17, 2:2-10, Matt 2:16), preached about sacrifice being the way to get forgiveness of sins (Lev 4, Matt 26:28, Heb 9:22)."
Now, let us tackle with these claims one by one.
Firstly; when Christians say Jesus was saved in his childhood just like Moses & quote Matt 2:16 to prove Jesus’ saving.
Dear Tony, I ask you to please read Luke 2:6-40. Because, the entire 2nd chapter of Luke does not give even a small hint about the life of Jesus being in danger. Not even a small hint of such an important event recorded by Luke !!!
Now, please tell me whom should we believe, Matth2:16 or Luke 2:6-40 ??
Secondly; as far as sacrifice for sins is concerned (Lev 4). If you read entire chapter 4 of Leviticus, you will come to know that people who committed sin were commanded to sacrifice Animals for forgiveness from their sins and they had a method to deal with the sacrificed animals. Was that method also adopted with Jesus ?
The verses 12-14 of Hebrews 9 throws an impression upon the reader that the sacrifices of animals done by Israelites at the time of Moses had only outwardly impact, where as the sacrifice of Jesus – has cleaned our consciences. But, if you analyze the verses of Hebrew 9 under the light of Leviticus 4, you will come across many important questions:
1. According to Lev 4, sacrifices were offered to God. Christians say that "GOD SACRIFICED His only son to save us". The question is "to whom did God SACRIFICE Jesus – when God owns the whole universe?"
2. God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing other people. Doesn’t the claim that God sacrificed Jesus – to save sinners because He was Just, contradict the fundamentals of justice?
3. A real sacrifice is when you can’t get back what you have offered, so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover back the same offering? (Heb 9:28 "… he (Jesus) will appear a second time")
4. If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going to Heaven no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus become irrelevant and the definition of good and bad are also rendered irrelevant. If this is not so, then do Christians who believe in Jesus yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go to Hell?
5. Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when, on the cross, he was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matt 27:45 and Mark 15:33 ?
All these questions need logical answers.
Dear Tony, Jesus is most unlike Moses.
"In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to Christendom - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses!
"SECONDLY, according to Christendom - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"
"THIRDLY, according to Christendom - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"
I can just give these references and walk away, but I wouldn’t be doing justice then. Therefore I will
do my best to present more irrefutable evidences.
I ask you Tony, to please think with a rational mind that, these are not hard facts, solid facts; they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble and fall.
Therefore, let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no difficulty in following it, shall we?
The Most Crucial Point
No New Laws
A very, very important, basic and most crucial point which makes Prophet Moses – different from all the other Israelite Prophets and similar to Prophet Muhammad – is that both of them brought new laws and new regulations for their peoples.
All the Israelite Prophets, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, including Jesus – were the followers of Prophet Moses – and the comprehensive ceremonial law, which he brought.
Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhammad came to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-mothers; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day.
Gibbons describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire",
'THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATION.'
There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the "animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.
From this abject barbarism, Muhammad elevated them, in the words of Thomas Carlyle, "into torch-bearers of light and learning".
'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT. WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE WORLD. ..."
The fact is that Muhammad gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.
As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an impostor with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote Jesus own words:
"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." Mathew 5:17-18
In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulations. He came only to fulfill the old laws. This is what he gave the Jews to understand - unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such foul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread’, which charges they always levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the Prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new laws like Moses and Muhammad. Again "Yes." is the answer. "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."
Father and Mother
Moses had a father and a mother. Muhammad also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?" "Yes" is the answer. Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses!"
Miraculous Birth
Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St. Matthew 1:18 ".....Before they came together, (Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) she was found to be with a child of the Holy Spirit.
The Noble Qur’An also speak that Jesus was created by a special miracle.
" O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
The angel says in reply: "EVEN SO: ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH: WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN, HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE," AND IT IS " Holy Qur’ân 3:47
It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception of the birth of Jesus. In short, Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of Moses and Muhammad. "Yes!" is the answer. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses.
Marriage Ties
Moses and Muhammad married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life. Again "Yes." "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhammad is like Moses."
Jesus Rejected by his People
Moses and Muhammad were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhammad’s life impossible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Makkah, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) came to his own home, and his own people received him not.' John 1:11. And even today, after two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejected him. Is this true? "Yes." "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."
"Other-Worldly" Kingdom
Moses and Muhammad were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day, and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhammad too, had the power of life and death over his people.
There are instances in the Bible of persons who were given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their message, were the prophets Lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defense to refute the false charge: JESUS ANSWERED, "My kingship is not of this world': if my kingship were of this world, my servants would have fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews, but my Kingship is not from the world" John 18:36. This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possession of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Is this true?" "Yes." Is the reply. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."
How they Departed
Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross. Is this true?" "Yes." is the reply. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."
Heavenly Abode
Moses and Muhammad both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus is in heaven. "Yes." Without any hesitation to Christians. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."
Forced to Migrate
Moses was forced to emigrate in adulthood to Median while Muhammad was forced to emigrate in his life too, towards Madeenah. Whereas Jesus did not have such forced emigration in his adulthood. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhammad is like Moses."
The crucial attributes that the future prophet would have to possess to be "like unto Moses" are all found in Muhammad and not in Jesus.
PART : II
Prophet Muhammed- The Final Prophet
Mgsgtbvani wrote : PART III
2ND ACID TEST !!
Words in the Mouth
The prophecy proceeds further: '.......and I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH .......' Deuteronomy 18:18
The Holy Qur’ân says the same about Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him:
"Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being inspired." Holy Qur’ân 53:3-4
What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth?'
Hey Tony, suppose, I ask you to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, and read. Now, if you read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?" The answer is: "No." "But," If, I tell you to open the Bible read Deuteronomy 18:18 and you tell me that “I can’t read as I am an illiterate.” Then, my reply would be ‘repeat’ after me. Therefore, I were to teach you something, which you have no knowledge, and if I ask you to read after me what I utter i.e.
Would I not be putting these unheard words which you utter, into your mouth? Don’t you agree, Tony ??
The words of the Holy Qur’ân, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhammad, were thus revealed.
Muhammad – was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Makkah. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue: 'IQRA' which means READ! Or PROCLAIM! Or RECITE! Muhammad – is terrified and in his bewilderment replies "MAA ANA BEQAARI" which means I AM NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.
Now Muhammad, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:
These are the first five verses, which were revealed to Muhammad (PBUH), which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur’ân.
During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life, words were 'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indelible impression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture (Holy Qur’ân) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf fiber, on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions in the order in which we find them today in the Holy Qur’ân.
PROOF
We all know that this man Muhammad was a Creature and not the Creator. Yet this man foretold such facts, which modern day science with very sophisticated technology are now discovering and confirming !!
Creation of the Universe
Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in "The Bible, The Qur’ân and Science", says:
"From an examination of creation as described in the Qur’ân, an extremely important general concept emerges: The Qur’ânic narration is quite different from the Biblical narration. This idea contradicts the parallels which are often wrongly drawn by Western authors to emphasize the resemblance between the two texts."
"(God) who created the earth and heavens above." Holy Qur’ân 20:4
"Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and then We split them apart? …" Holy Qur’ân 21:30
"God is the one who created the heavens, the earth and what is between them..." Holy Qur’ân 25:59
"God then rose turning towards the heaven when it was smoke" Holy Qur’ân 41:11
There is a strong tendency in the West to claim that Muhammad copied the general outlines mentioned in the Qur’ân from the Bible.
Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in “The Bible, The Qur’ân and Science”, says:
"Brief survey of Qur’ânic references to creation clearly shows us how modern scientific data and statements in the Qur’ân consistently agree on a large number of points. In contrast, the successive phases of creation mentioned in the Biblical text are totally unacceptable. For example, in Genesis 1:9-19 the creation of the earth (on the 3rd day) is placed before that of the heavens (on the 4th day). It is a well known fact that our planet came from its own star, the sun. In such circumstances, how could anyone claim that Muhammad, the supposed author of the Qur’ân, drew his inspiration from the Bible. Such a claim would mean that, of his own accord, he corrected the Biblical text to arrive at the correct concept concerning the formation of the Universe. Yet the correct concept was reached by scientists many centuries after his death."
The Origins of Life
"… And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Holy Qur’ân 21:30
The building blocks of all living things are called cells. They are the basic units of life.
Protoplasm (cytoplasm + nucleus) is the substance of all living things. Cytoplasm is a jelly-like material consisting of water and dissolved substances. The constitution of protoplasm is about 80-85% water. Without water life is not possible.
None of the myths on the origins of life that abounded at the time of the Qur’ân are present in the text. Furthermore, the fact that all life originated from water would not have been a very easy thing to convince people of 1400 years ago, especially in the desert!
The Sun and Moon
Whereas the Bible talks of the sun and the moon as two lights differing only in size, the Qur’ân distinguishes between them by the use of different terms: light (noor) for the moon, and lamp (siraaj) for the sun.
"Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?" Holy Qur’ân 78:12-13
The moon is an inert body which reflects light, whereas the sun is a celestial body in a state of permanent combustion producing both light and heat.
Stars and Planets
The word ‘star' (najm) in the Qur’ân ( 86:3 ) is accompanied by the adjective ‘thaaqib’ which indicates that it burns and consumes itself as it pierces through the shadows of the night. It was much later discovered that stars are heavenly bodies producing their own light like the sun.
In the Qur’ân, a different word, ‘kawkab’, is used to refer to the planets which are celestial bodies that reflect light and do not produce their own light like the sun :
"We have adorned the lowest heaven with ornaments, the planets." Holy Qur’ân 37:6
Orbits
In chapter al-Ambiyaa we find :
"(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion." Holy Qur'an21:33
The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb ‘yasbahoon’ which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one's legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, we can translate it, according to its original meaning, as ‘to travel with its own motion.'
The Day and Night
The Qur’ânic description of the sequence of day and night would, in itself, be rather commonplace were it not for the fact that it is expressed in terms that are today highly appropriate. The Qur’ân uses the verb ‘kawwara’ in chapter az-Zumar to describe the way the night ‘winds' or ‘coils' itself around the day and the day around the night:
"He coils the night upon the day and the day upon the night." Holy Qur’ân 39:5
Commenting upon this fact Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in "The Qur’ân and Modern Science", says:
“Original meaning of the verb ‘kis’, to coil a turban around the head. This is a totally valid comparison; yet at the time the Qur’ân was revealed, the astronomical data necessary to make this comparison were unknown. It is not until man landed on the moon and observed the earth spinning on its axis, that the dark half of the globe appeared to wind itself around the light and the light half appeared to wind itself around the dark.”
The Solar Apex
The notion of a settled place for the sun is vividly described in chapter Yaa Seen of the Qur’ân :
"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing." Holy Qur’ân 36:38
"Settled place" is the translation of the word ‘mustaqarr’, which indicates an exact appointed place and time. Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules (alpha lyrae) whose exact location has been precisely calculated. Astronomers have even given it a name, ‘the solar apex.’
Expansion of the Universe
Chapter ath-Thaariyaat of the Qur’ân also seems to allude to one of the most imposing discoveries of modern science, the expansion of the Universe :
"I built the heaven with power and it is I, who am expanding it." Holy Qur’ân 51:47
The expansion of the universe was first suggested by the general theory of relativity and is supported by the calculations of astrophysics. The regular movement of the galactic light towards the red section of the spectrum is explained by the distancing of one galaxy from another. Thus, the size of the universe appears to be progressively increasing.
This was first confirmed by an American Astronomer Edwin Hubble in the year 1925. Qur’ân talks about it in the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 1400 years ago.
Conquest of Space
Among the achievements of modern science is the "conquest" of space which has resulted in mans journey to the moon. The prediction of this event surely springs to mind when we read the chapter ar-Rahmân in the Qur’ân :
"O assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority." Holy Qur’ân 55:33
Authority to travel in space can only come from the Creator of the laws which govern movement and space. The whole of this Qur’ânic chapter invites humankind to recognize God's beneficence.
Rain
Qur’ân says :
"Have you not seen that Allah sent rain down from the sky and caused it to penetrate the ground and come forth as springs, then He caused crops of different colours to grow..." Holy Qur’ân 39:21
Such notions seem quite natural to us today, but we should not forget that, not so long ago, they were not prevalent. It was not until the sixteenth century, with Bernard Palissy, that we gained the first coherent description of the water cycle. Prior to this, people believed that the waters of the oceans, under the effect of winds, were thrust towards the interior of the continents. They then returned to the oceans via the great abyss, which, since Plato's time was called the Tartarus .In the seventeenth century, great thinkers such as Descartes still believed in this myth. Even in the nineteenth century there were still those who believed in Aristotle's theory that water was condensed in cool mountain caverns and formed underground lakes that fed springs. Today, we know that it is the infiltration of rain water into the ground that is responsible for this. If one compares the facts of modern hydrology with the data found in numerous verses of the Qur’ân on this subject, one cannot fail to notice the remarkable degree of agreement between the two.
In another place Qur’ân says :
“Seest thou not that God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? – then will thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases. The vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.” Holy Qur’ân 24:43
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Mountains
The Noble Qur’ân spoke about mountains 1400 years ago, which we come to know now. Let us now compare modern ideas with one verse among many in the Qur’ân, that deals with subject of ‘Mountains’.
"Have We not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes?" Holy Qur’ân 78:6-7
Stakes (awtaad), which are driven into the ground like those used to anchor a tent, are the deep foundations of geological folds.
The idea of ‘Mountains’ acting like ‘Stakes’ was first given by Sir George Airy in 1865. Today this theory is known as ‘Plate Tectonics’. Dr Frank Press (an Authority on Geophysics & Advisor to former President Jimmy Carter) confirms this theory and confirms that, the mountains really have deep roots inside the earth.
Botany
Progress in botany at the time of Muhammad (pbuh)– was not advanced enough in any country for scientists to know that plants have both male and female parts. Nevertheless, we may read the following in the chapter Taa Haa :
"(God is the One who) sent down rain from the sky and with it brought forth a variety of plants in pairs." Holy Qur’ân 20:53
Today we know that fruit comes from plants that have sexual characteristics even when they come from unfertilized flowers, like bananas. In the chapter ar-Ra`d we read the following :
"... and of all fruits (God) placed (on the earth) two pairs." Holy Qur’ân 13:3
Physiology
Qur’ân says :
"Verily, in cattle there is a lesson for you. I give you drink from their insides, coming from a conjunction between the digested contents (of the intestines) and the blood, milk pure and pleasant for those who drink it." Holy Qur’ân 16:66
Commenting upon this fact Dr. Maurice Bucaille, in "The Qur’ân and Modern Science", says:
"In the field of physiology, there is one verse which appears extremely significant to me. One thousand years before the discovery of the blood circulatory system, and roughly thirteen centuries before it was determined that the internal organs were nourished by the process of digestive , a verse in the Qur’ân described the source of the constituents of milk, in conformity with scientific facts."
This very precise concept is the result of the discoveries made in the chemistry and physiology of the digestive system over one thousand years after the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Fertilization
Let us now analyze, precise ideas concerning the complexity of the semen and the fact that an infinitely small quantity is required to ensure fertilization. In chapter al-Insaan the Qur’ân states :
"Verily, I created humankind from a small quantity of mingled fluids." Holy Qur’ân 76:2
The Arabic word ‘nutfah’ has been translated as "small quantity". It comes from the verb meaning ‘to dribble, to trickle' and is used to describe what remains in the bottom of a bucket which has been emptied. The verse correctly implies that fertilization is performed by only a very small volume of liquid.
The Qur’ân talks of a fertilizing fluid composed of different components, it also informs us that human progeny will be formed from something extracted from this liquid. This is the meaning of the following verse in chapter as-Sajdah :
"Then He made [man's] offspring from the essence of a despised fluid. ( male and female sexual discharge)" Holy Qur’ân 32:8
The Arabic word translated by the term ‘essence' is ‘sulaalah’ which means ‘something extracted, the best part of a thing'. In whatever way it is translated, it refers to part of a whole. Under normal conditions, only one single cell, spermatozoon, out of over 50 million ejaculated by a man during sexual intercourse will actually penetrate the ovule.
Implantation
Once the egg has been fertilized in the fallopian tube, it descends to lodge itself inside the uterus. This process is called the ‘implantation of the egg'. Implantation is a result of the development of vellosities, which, like roots in the soil, draw nourishment from the wall of the uterus and make the egg literally cling to the womb. The process of implantation is appropriately described in several verses by the word ‘alaq, which is also the title of the chapter in which one of the verses appears (interpretation of the meaning):
"God fashioned humans from a clinging entity." Holy Qur’ân 96:2
Embryo
The evolution of the embryo inside the maternal uterus is only briefly described, but the description is accurate, because the simple words referring to it correspond exactly to fundamental stages in its growth. This is what we read in a verse from the chapter al-Mu'minoon :
"I fashioned the clinging entity into a chewed lump of flesh and I fashioned the chewed flesh into bones and I clothed the bones with intact flesh." Holy Qur’ân 23:14
The term ‘chewed flesh' (mudghah) corresponds exactly to the appearance of the embryo at a certain stage in its development.
It is known that the bones develop inside this mass and that they are then covered with muscle. This is the meaning of the term ‘intact flesh' (lahm).
The embryo passes through a stage where some parts are in proportion and others out of proportion with what is later to become the individual. This is the obvious meaning of a verse in the chapter al-Hajj, which reads as follows :
"I fashioned (humans) a clinging entity, then into a lump of flesh in proportion and out of proportion." Holy Qur’ân 22:5
Next, we have a reference to the appearance of the senses and internal organs in the chapter as-Sajdah :
"... and (God) gave you ears, eyes and hearts." Holy Qur’ân 32:9
Now if we analyze Soorah-al-Mu’minoon 23:12-14, we will come to know the whole procedure of ‘Human Development’ :
"And indeed We, did create human out of the essence from clay (water and earth). Then We placed it as a drop of mingled sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed. Then We made mingled sperm into a clinging entity, then of that clinging entity We made a chewed lump, then We fashioned out of that chewed lump, Bones and We clothed the bones with intact flesh, then We developed it forth as another creation. So blessed is Allah, the Best of creators." Holy Qur’ân 23:12-14
Nothing here contradicts today's data and, furthermore, none of the mistaken ideas of the time have crept into the Qur’ân. Throughout the Middle Ages there were a variety of beliefs about human development based on myths and speculations which continued for several centuries after the period. The most fundamental stage in the history of embryology came in 1651 with Harvey's statement that "all life initially comes from an egg". At that time, when science had benefited greatly from the invention of the microscope, people were still arguing about the respective roles of the egg and spermatozoon. Buffon, the great naturalist, was one of those in favor of the egg theory. Bonnet, on the other hand, supported the theory of ‘the ovaries of Eve', which stated that Eve, the mother of the human race, was-supposed to have had inside her the seeds of all human beings packed together one inside the other.
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Oceanography
The Qur’ân mentions in Soorah-an-Noor, that the ocean is created in layers :
"Or (the disbeliever’s state) is like the darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by clouds: darkness over darkness: if a person stretches out his hand, can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light." Holy Qur’ân 24:40
In 1900, it was discovered by the marine scientists, that, ocean consists of layers. And every layer absorbs a particular light of the sun, due to which the depth of the sea becomes dark.
In another verse Qur’ân says :
"He has let free the two seas flowing together. Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress." Holy Qur’ân 55:19-20
You can view this scene at Cape Town (South Africa). And the Mediterranean Sea flows with Atlantic Ocean for hundreds of kilometer having a depth of 1000 meter, yet they don’t transgress, and a person can have a clear notice of this phenomena of Almighty Allah.
Finger Prints
The Qur’ân mentions in Soorah-al-Qiyâmah :
"Indeed! We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." Holy Qur’ân 75:4
In 1880, Sir Francis Gold discovered that, no two persons have similar finger prints. He said ‘No two finger prints, of two individuals are equal even in a million people’.
Honey
In Soorah-an-Nahl, Almighty Allah says :
"From the belly of the bee you get a drink of varying colors, in which there is healing for mankind." Holy Qur’ân 16:68-69
It is recently we have come to know that the honey we have is derived from the bee. It is the bee which is responsible for the honey - We did not know about this before. And today we know honey has got high nutritive values. It is rich in vitamin K, and Fructose and it has got mild antiseptic properties. No wonder the Russian soldiers, they used honey to cover up their wounds which prevented the evaporation of moisture and left very little scar tissue. Any person suffering from an allergy of a particular plant - if honey produced from that plant is given, that person starts developing resistance to that allergy.
Ponder
Now, Tony, think with a cool unfettered mind, that, how can a person in the middle of a desert tell you all such things, and mind it, that, he was not living in our today’s modern era. He told you all these things without the aid of our modern sophisticated technology.
The question is HOW???
Let me help you out. Becus the ‘Creator’ was putting His wordsin Prophet Muhammad’s mouth.
A man in 1840, understood this reality and cried out
"FORGER AND JUGGLER! NO, NO! THIS GREAT FIERY HEART, SEETHING, SIMMERING LIKE A GREAT FURNACE OF THOUGHTS, WAS NOT A JUGGLER'S." ….Thomas Carlyle, page 88 in his book - "Heroes and Hero-worship"
Sickness of Disbelievers !!
The skeptics have developed a sickness. They allege that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) – himself was not the author of the Qur’ân, but he learnt it and/or plagiarized (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.
This is the thing for which Thomas Carlyle cried in his book “Heroes and Hero-Worship”.
"THE LIES, WHICH WELL-MEANING ZEAL HAS HEAPED ROUND THIS MAN (Muhammad), ARE DISGRACEFUL TO OURSELVES ONLY."
1. MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN
Some accused the Prophet (pbuh) – of learning the Qur’ân from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur’ân was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the Qur’ân says in Soorah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103 :
"We know indeed that they say, ‘It is a man that teaches him,’ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." Holy Qur’ân 16:103
How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur’ân which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic?
To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur’ân is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare English .
2. MUHUMMAD (pbuh) – LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THE RELATIVE OF KHADEEJAH –.
The most prominent Christian known to Muhammad (pbuh) was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadeejah . Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet (pbuh) –only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Ka`bah (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’ân.
3. PROPHET’S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madeenah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’ân had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism.
4. THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA
All historical records available show that Muhammad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:
1. At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madeenah.
2. Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Tâlib on a business trip to Syria.
3. At the age of 25 he led Khadeejah’s Caravan to Syria.
It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur’ân resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.
5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
i. The day-to-day life of the Prophet (pbuh) was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.
ii. The extremely prominent Quraysh nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
iii. The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar. They could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
iv. It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’ân would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’ân.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’ân.
6. MUHUMMAD – WAS AN ILLITERATE
The theory that Muhammad (pbuh) authored the Qur’ân or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was an illiterate.
Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’ân in Soorah Al-`Ankaboot :
"And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted." Holy Qur’ân 29:48
Almighty Allah knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’ân and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhammad . Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’ân from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
Allah reconfirms in the Qur’ân in Soorah Al A`raf :
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel" Holy Qur’ân 7:157
The Qur’ân testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Soorah A`raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Soorah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT
The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhammad . The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet (pbuh).
The oldest Arabic version of the New Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.
From Mount Sinai, so claimed, oldest Arabic version of the Bible was also found, but it also belongs to 800 C.E - almost 200 years after our Prophet’s death.
8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE
Similarities between the Qur’ân and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.
It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’ân and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhammad of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – was not a genuine Prophet (Allah forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.
The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later Prophets – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – have plagiarized from the previous prophets.
If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbor or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – gave due respect and credit to all the previous Prophets – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –. The Qur’ân also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty Allah to different prophets.
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9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR’AN
Four revelations of Allah are mentioned by name in the Qur’ân: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’ân.
Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa i.e. Moses – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –.
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood i.e. David – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –.
Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Esa i.e. Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –.
‘Al-Qur’ân’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –.
It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’ân refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.
The Qur’ân presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar Prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different Prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’ân says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the Prophets, but of the followers of these Prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures.
The Qur’ân cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other Prophets – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
Another name for the Qur’ân is the ‘The Furqân’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’ân that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.
10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE
If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’ân you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyze them closely, you realize that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
a. Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period.
Even though the Qur’ân mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.
When the Qur’ân mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement.
The creation of the universe has taken billions of years.
Therefore the Bible’s account which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each is Unscientific.
b. Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in Genesis 1:3-5 that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later.
Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’ân does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation.
Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
If, for the sake of argument, if we agree with the skeptics, that Muhammad (pbuh) copied the Qur’ân from Bible, then they should notice that, this man Muhammad is correcting the error, which is present in their book – The Bible.
c. Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis 1:9-13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
d. Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis 1:11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?
If Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’ân and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’ân does not contain any statements which are incompatible with established scientific facts.
e. The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis 1:16, it says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".
Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’ânic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’ân is to think of something impossible.
f.Adam , The First man on Earth, Lived 5,800 years ago
As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – to the first man on earth i.e. Adam, Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
i. 1948 years between Adam and Abraham – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –
ii. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham and Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –
iii. 2000 years from Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – till today
These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.
There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
The Qur’ân too speaks about Adam as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
There are many, many more revelations in the Qur’An which are confirmed by Modern Day Established Scientific Facts and similarly many revelations from the Bible which are Unscientific.
PART : V
Prophet Muhammed-The Final Prophet
mgsgtbvani wrote : ( PART : VI )
11. QUR’AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH
These evidences are just a glance, but sufficient enough to conclude that the Qur’ân was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur’ân is the Furqân - ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.
The Qur’ân itself testifies in Soorah Sajdah 32:1-3
Alif Laam Meem. (This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds. Or do they say, ‘He has forged it’? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance." Holy Qur’ân 32:1-3
'...and I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH ...' Holy Bible Deuteronomy 18:18
Another Sickness from the Disbelievers !!!
As I said earlier, there is no cure for enmity. Enmity just closes your logical doors of mind and blinds your vision !!
It is alleged by the skeptics of Islam that, ‘Qur’ân is the handiwork of Satan’. In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the Prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed :
"That this is indeed A Qur’ân most honorable, In a Book well-guarded, Which none shall touch But those who are clean: A Revelation from the Lord Of the Worlds." Holy Qur’ân 56:77-80
Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book; referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The Satan is absolutely prohibited.
Thus since it is impossible for Satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur’ân does not arise.
It is further mentioned in another Soorah :
"No evil ones have brought down this (Revelation): It would neither suit them Nor would they be able (To produce it). Indeed they have been removed Far from even (a chance of) Hearing it." Holy Qur’ân 26:210-212
Many people have a wrong concept of Satan. They think that Satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, Satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’ân is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is Satan’s handiwork.
1. If Satan would have written the Qur’ân, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’ân in Soorah Nahl :
"When thou does read The Qur’ân, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One." Holy Qur’ân 16:98
Is this how you feel Satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me???"
2. There are several verses in the Qur’ân which will give enough evidence that Satan is not the author of the Qur’ân.
In Soorah Al Aaraf :
"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind), seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows (all things)." Holy Qur’ân 7:200
Why would Satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Almighty Allah to whom he is an avowed enemy?
3. In Soorah Baqarah :
"O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one, For he is to you an avowed enemy." Holy Qur’ân 2:168
4. In Soorah Yâseen :
"Did I not enjoin on you, O ye children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?" Holy Qur’ân 36:60
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’ân. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Almighty Allah is far more intelligent. He knows Satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’ân several proofs to show that Qur’ân is God’s word, and not Satan’s word.
The Bible mentions in the Gospel of Mark,
"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end." Mark 3:24-26
"THE LIES, WHICH WELL-MEANING ZEAL HAS HEAPED ROUND THIS MAN (Muhammad), ARE DISGRACEFUL TO OURSELVES ONLY." Thomas Carlyle in "Heroes and Hero-Worship"
"A SILENT GREAT SOUL, HE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BUT BE IN EARNEST, WHOM NATURE HERSELF HAS APPOINTED TO BE SINCERE. WHILE OTHERS WALK IN FORMULAS AND HEARSAYS, CONTENTED ENOUGH TO DWELL THERE, THIS MAN COULD NOT SCREEN HIMSELF IN FORMULAS; HE WAS ALONE WITH HIS OWN SOUL AND THE REALITY OF THINGS . . . SUCH SINCERITY, AS WE NAMED IT, HAS IN VERY TRUTH SOMETHING OF DIVINE. THE WORD OF SUCH A MAN IS A VOICE DIRECT FROM NATURE'S OWN HEART. MEN DO AND MUST LISTEN TO THAT AS TO NOTHING ELSE, - - - ALL ELSE IS WIND IN COMPARISON." Thomas Carlyle in "Heroes and Hero-Worship"
PART : VI
Prophet Muhammed-The Final Prophet
mgsgtbvani wrote ( PART : VII )
3RD ACID TEST
"In My Name"
Miracle of Miracles! In the verse 19 of Deuteronomy chapter 18, we have a further fulfillment of the prophecy in Muhammad!
"And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require it of him." Deuteronomy 18:19
Note the words ".....MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME,"
Open the Holy Qur’ân, and see for yourself this formula being at the head of chapter # 1:
And the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE MOST MERCIFUL." And the heading of chapter # 2:
And the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE MOST MERCIFUL". And every chapter downwards 3, 4, 5...with the same formula and the same meaning on every page.
"And what did the prophecy demand?' ...WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME and in whose name does Muhammad (pbuh) speak? 'IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE MOST MERCIFUL.'
“ The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhammad(pbuh) to the letter !!! “
Every chapter of the Holy Qur’ân except the 9th begin with the formula:
'IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE MOST MERCIFUL.' The Muslim begins his every lawful act with this Holy formula.
But the Christian begins: "In the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost." The Christian theologians are ignorant of even the "name of God." Because "God" is not a name and "Father" is also not a name.
Some Christians insist that GOD Almighty's original Holy Name is "Yahweh". They say:
"His specific, personal name is 'Yahweh' or 'Jehovah', depending on which transliteration is used for 'YHWH' (Hebrew). Its occurrence is with 6823 times by far the most. In Deuteronomy 18:21-22 'Yahweh' is used to identify the name of God in whom a prophet was to speak! Since this name was never used in the Qur’ân and has no equivalent in Arabic one has to come to the conclusion that Muhammad did not fulfil this requirement of a true prophet!"
Now, let us tackle with this Christian claim.
Originally, both Hebrew and Arabic were written without the vowel signs. The native of each language was able to read if even without those vowels. Not so the outsiders, for whose benefit the vowels were invented.
Let us add the vowels. YHWH becomes YeHoWaH, YaHoWaH. Juggle as you like but you can never materialize JeHoVaH! Ask Christian brethrens, from which hat he drew his "J" and "V" (because original letters are "YHWH" and not "JHVH"). He will tell you that "this (pronunciation with 'J') is the 'popular' pronunciation from the 16th century." Imagine! Original letter from the so-called real name of Almighty God is replaced with the 'Popular' letter.
The European Christians have developed an obsession for the letter "J" They add J's where there are no Jays. LOOK !!
Yael he converts to Joel
Yehuda To Juda
Yeheshua To Joshua
Yusuf To Joseph
Yunus To Jonah
Yesus To Jesus
Yehowah To Jehovah
There is no end to the Westerner's ‘ creativity ‘ for the letter "J."
The letters Y H W H occur in the Hebrew (Jewish) Scriptures 6823 times, boasts the Jehovah's Witness, and it occurs in combination with the word "Elohim;" 156 times in the booklet called Genesis alone. This combination YHWH/ELOHIM has been consistently translated in the English Bible as "Lord God," "Lord God," Lord God," ad infinitum.
Regarding the Christian claim that "In Deuteronomy 18:21-22 'Yahweh' is used to identify the name of God in whom a prophet was to speak!"
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 from the 21st Century King James Version of Bible, reads like this:
"And if thou say in thine heart, `How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him."
Now, Is "LORD" a name as claimed above by the Christians?
On page # 225 of the book "Mankind's Search for GOD", it says:
"About 3,500 years ago, God spoke to Moses, saying: 'Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: The LORD [Hebrew: YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, this My appellation for all eternity.' (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 135:13)" Mankind's Search for GOD, p.225
"....the four Hebrew consonants YHWH (Yahweh) that in their Latinized form have come to be known over the centuries in English as JEHOVAH." Mankind's Search for GOD, p.225
So the word "YHWH" or "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" is not the ORIGINAL name, but the APPELLATION (title) for the Almighty GOD.
Rev. C. I. Scofield, D.D., with his Bible Commentary edited an English Bible. This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION" of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s:
Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological Seminary.
Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author "The Gospel of John," etc.
Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
Arno C. Gaebelein,Author "Harmoney of Prophetic Word," etc.
In their "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION", please note that in their comment No.1, they concur that - "Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)" and alternatively spelled "Alah" (line three, third word). All the eight D.D.'s above could not have been blind in dittoing the spelling "Alah" for God.
How far were they from the Arabic word spelled - ALLAH in English, I ask you my dear dear Tony?
On pointing it out – that Allah is the real name of God and the English Bible of Rev. C. I. Scofield, D.D backed by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s also has it – by world renowned Muslim Orator of his time the Late Ahmad Deedat – may Almighty Allah have mercy upon him –, they took it out in their second edition. The word "Alah" was taken out.
You can see both of these images on this site under the link
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar_hassan/allah_in_english_bible.htm
The BLB (Blue Letter Bible) links the Hebrew word "'eloahh" directly to the Arabic word "Allah", in its root, it even shows the word "'eloahh" in the Arabic alphabets, which is "Allah".
Just click on www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H0433&Version=KJV, you will find the following:
STRONG'S 0433
Word: (Hebrew)
Pronunciation: 'eloahh {el-o'-ah}
Transliteration: 'elowahh
Outline of Biblical Usage:
1) God
2) False god
Time and Sense of Occurrence: [Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 57]:
AV - God 52, god 5; 57
Hebrew Lexicon
But, as we know that Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – preached in Aramaic during his ministry, so why not search for the name of GOD in Aramaic language
The following is found at : www.bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?search=0426&version=kjv&type=eng&submit=Find
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
STRONG'S 0426
Original Word: hhla
Word Origin: corresponding to (0433)
Transliterated Word: 'elahh (Aramaic)'
Phonetic Spelling: 'el-aw'
Parts of Speech: Noun Masculine
Definitions:
- god, God
- god, heathen deity
- God (of Israel)
In above, the pronunciation of God’s name both in Hebrew and Aramaic matches with pronunciation in Arabic i.e. 'eloahh {el-o'-ah} in Hebrew and 'elahh (el-aw) in Aramaic and ALLAH {Al-lah} or {Al-lawh} in Arabic.
HEBREW
ARAMAIC
ARABIC
Transliteration
'Eloahh
'Elahh
Allah
Pronunciation
El-o'-ah
El-aw
Al-lah or Al-lawh
(depending on the sentence that it is used in)
Now, Dear Brother Tony with these proofs, you can knock out the false allegation of skeptics, that:
"'Yahweh' is used to identify the name of God in whom a prophet was to speak ! Since this name was never used in the Qur’ân and has no equivalent in Arabic one has to come to the conclusion that Muhammad did not fulfil this requirement of a true prophet!"
PART : VII
Prophet Muhammed-The Final Prophet
mgsgtbvani wrote (PART : VIII)
4TH ACID TEST
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:22
This important quality deals with prophecies, which should be done by this Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18. And the most important thing is the fulfillment of these prophecies.
After microscopically analyzing all the important points of the coming Prophet mentioned in the Deuteronomy 18, and not only analyzing, but, also confirming that it is Muhammad and not Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –. We now deal with this important point of ‘Prophecies’.
Muhammad (pbuh) was the last of the Prophets sent by Almighty Allah and thus he foretold many events that would happen in the future. Some of them relate to specific individuals, some to groups, others with the financial, moral and religious situation of the people after him, some deal with upcoming battles and trials, and others concern false prophets, the second coming of Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – and many other issues. A considerable number happened during his lifetime, some a few years after his death, some centuries after him, and some are foretold to occur close to the Final Day.
Some of these prophecies are as follows:
`Umar – the 2nd Caliph - by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – reports in a narration recorded in Saheeh al-Muslim:
"Before the Battle of Badr started, Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – walked around the battlefield and pointed to some locations, saying, Abu Jahl will be killed here, `Utba here, Shaybah here, Waleed here, and so on. By Allah, we found after the battle, the dead bodies of all those men in the exact places that Allah’s Messenger had pointed out."
At the time when 10,000 of the troops of the pagan army of Quraysh were advancing upon Madeenah to utterly destroy him and his Companions – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – at Ghazwa-e-Khandaq 'The Battle of the Trench' and he and about 3000 of his Companions – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – were preparing as best they could to stave off this attack by digging a trench. While Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was digging with them he made a number of prophesies including the Muslim's capture of Yemen, Sham (Jerusalem, Iraq, etc.), Morocco, Persia, and the Eastern countries.
Can you just imagine! A man, who is trying to save himself, is giving glad tidings of overcoming the non believers upon other land.
On another occasion, the prophet was sitting in a garden. When `Uthmân ibn `Affân – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with –asked the permission to walk in, the Prophet (pbuh) be upon him – asked Abu Moosa Al-Ash`ari – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – to give him glad tidings that he shall be of the people of Paradise and to further inform him that the people would mutiny against him. This prophecy was fulfilled many years after the death of the Prophet (pbuh)– when `Uthmân ibn `Affân – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – became the third Caliph and was murdered shortly when a party of the citizens rose against him and slew him.
`Ali ibn Abi Tâlib – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with –, the fourth Caliph, had also been informed by the Prophet (pbuh) of his assassination in such detail that he knew the man who was going to kill him, and identified him pointing him out to the people. They asked Ali – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – why he did not kill the man and he replied: "Then who will kill me?" The night preceding his assassination Ali – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – came out, gazed at the sky and said: By Allah the Prophet – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – never told a lie, nor was a lie ever told to him. The next day the same man killed Ali – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with –, as the Prophet – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –had predicted.
Safeenah – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – narrated that the Prophet – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – said: The Caliphate will last almost thirty years; then Allah will give the rule of His Kingdom to whomever He wills. This was indeed the length of the Caliphate after the death of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) . After that, the rule of monarchies replaced the rule of the Caliphate.
The Prophet also predicted the division of the Muslims into many sects, and how some people would do to `Ali ibn Abi Tâlib – what the Christians did to Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –. This clearly refers to the Shi'its, who exaggerate the love and praise of `Ali ibn Abi Tâlib –to such a degree that one of their sects, Al-Nusaria, actually worship him as the manifestation of Allah.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) further predicted the capture of Egypt, and commanded his followers when this were to occur that they should treat the people well.
He further prophesied that the Muslims would overthrow the Persian Empire and seize the treasures of their Emperor Choseros.
A person by the name Surâqah bin Mâlik – was given the tiding of having the bangles of Caesar in his hands. The moment when Prophet (pbuh) – gave him this tiding, he had not even embraced Islam yet. Many years after the death of the Prophet – these bangles fell as a possession of Surâqah bin Mâlik , reminding him of the Prophet's words.
Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allah said, "The Hour will not be established until a fire comes out from the earth of Hijâz that lights up the necks of the camels of Busrah." [Saheeh Muslim no. 2902 in Kitab-ul-fitan].
Busrah according to an-Nawawi (Commentary on Saheeh Muslim, Vol. 18 p.30) is a city known to be in Syria (Shâm) that is three stations in journey between Damascus and itself. This is one of those great signs that has been truthfully reported by trustworthy sources to have already taken place just as the Messenger of Allah had informed. It happened 640 years after Muhammad (s.a.w.)'s prophesy!
Ibn Katheer talks about this in his history book as one of the events of the year 654 (1260 CE). He said, "In it was the appearance of the fire from the earth of Hijâz that lighted up the necks of the camels in Busrah, just as the report tells us about that in Bukhâri and Muslim (muttafaq 'alaihi). The great scholar (Shaykh, Imâm, `Allamah and Hâfiz) Shihab-ud-Din Abu Shamah al-Maqdisi elaborates on the statement in his book "Adh-Dhayl wa Sharhuhu" and presents a widely-reported narration (mutawâtir) from many books about this fire in Hijâz that has been definitely witnessed in Damascus; how it emerged and related matters."
Abu Shamah lived during the time it happened. He clearly and precisely talks about the dates and how eyewitnesses reliably informed him about it. They were in their houses that night and it was as if every single home had a lamp (lighting it up). He mentions detailed reports about it from quite a number of sources. A great light appeared in Medina on Thursday night on the 3rd of Jumada al-Akhirah in the year 654 (13th century). Then there was a massive earthquake that shook the earth, trees and the houses right down to their roofs and doors. This happened repeatedly until Friday and then a huge fire appeared in the Harrah near Quraizah. People saw it from their homes in town as if the fire was with them. Its flames were higher than three pillars (lighthouses) put together. Its fire flowed towards the Shadh valley like water and blocked it and other paths and highways. Many people were afraid that they would be overcome by it. It (the lava) flowed east. From its centre large boulders or fire came out that consumed rocks.
Once, when the Prophet (pbuh) woke up in the house of Umm Haram (the aunt of Anas ibn Mâlik – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with –, who served the Messenger – for ten years in Madeenah), he smilingly said:
"I dreamt that my community would be waging war in the sea sitting on thrones like kings."
Umm Haram – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – asked: ‘Pray that I too may be with them’. He said firmly: You shall be.
All this came true forty years later when Umm Haram – accompanied her husband `Ubadah ibn Sâmit, on the conquest of Cyprus. She died there, and her tomb has since been a visited place.
"Increase in the use of riba (usury/interest) so that no one will able to escape being tainted by it." This is clearly the state of the world economy today.
"Nakedness of women, while, still being dressed and people copulating like donkeys in public." Obviously a direct reference to soft and hard-core pornography, which has become a dark stain on our society in recent times.
"Appearance of Dajjals (liars) each claiming to be a Messenger of Allah, while Muhammad is the last messenger." There are numerous examples of this, starting with Musaylamah, who arose in the time of the Prophet, just before his death, to more modern liars such as Elija Muhammad, founder of Black American racist movement "Nation of Islam", & India's pretender Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian.
"The worst and most ignorant will become leaders and they will be oppressors." Majority of world Leaders TODAY are prime examples.
"Disappearance of trustworthiness, so much so that one would only be able to say: "I know a trustworthy person in such-and-such town.""
Bukhâri and Abu Dawud quote Khabbâb ibn Arat , who said:
"Once, during the days of trouble and torture in Makkah, I went to Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –, who was sitting in the shade of the Ka`bah. I was still a slave in the hands of the Makkans then. They inflicted on me severe tortures. Unable to endure those tortures any more, I requested Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – to pray to Allah for help and salvation. But he turned towards me and said:
"By Allah, previous communities had to endure more pitiless tortures. Some of them were made to lie in ditches and cut in two with saws but this did not make them forsake their faith. They were skinned alive but they never became weak against the enemy. Surely Almighty Allah will perfect this religion, but you display undue haste. A day will come when a woman will travel alone by herself from San`ah to Hadramawt fearing nothing but wild beasts. However, you show impatience."
Khabbâb – by whom Almighty Allah is pleased with – concluded:
"By Allah, what Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him – predicted that day, have all come true. I have personally witnessed it all."
JULES MASSERMAN, United States psychoanalyst and professor of the Chicago University said "Leaders must fulfill three functions--"
No. 1 THE LEADER MUST PROVIDE FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THE LEAD ...
No. 2 THE LEADER OR WOULD BE LEADER MUST PROVIDE A SOCIAL ORGANIZATION IN WHICH PEOPLE FEEL RELATIVELY SECURE ...
No. 3 THAT THIS LEADER MUST PROVIDE HIS PEOPLE WITH ONE SET OF BELIEFS
With the foregoing three standards, Masserman searches history and analyses Louis Pasteur, Salk, Gandhi, Confucius, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Hitler, Buddha, JESUS and the rest; finally coming to the conclusion that - PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MUHAMMED, WHO COMBINED ALL THREE FUNCTIONS. (and) TO A LESSER DEGREE, MOSES DID THE SAME.
Even in the eyes of this non-Muslim American learned person, Jesus is NOT SAME as Moses, instead Muhammad is SAME as Moses – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –.
Genesis :
This was a message of Jacob to his children before he died: Gen 49:1
"And Jacob called unto his sons, and said: 'Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. "
Genesis 49:10…"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a law giver from between his feet, until Shiloh come. And unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
Shiloh is also the name of a town, but its real meaning is peace, tranquility, harmony, ("Islam", which means the same). It could never refer to a town here.
So the Israelite prophethood in the lineage of Isaac would stop as soon as Shiloh came. This corresponds with Holy Qur’ân 2:133 (interpretation of the meaning):
"Were you witnesses when death came to Jacob? When he said to his sons: 'What will you worship after me?' They said: 'We shall worship your God [Allah], the God of your fathers Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac, One God and to Him we surrender [in Islam]."'
The shift of prophethood to another nation was threatened in Jeremiah 31:36
"'If those ordinances depart from before me,' saith the Lord, 'then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever."'
This was also hinted at by Jesus in Matthew 21:43 …"Therefore say I unto you: 'The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits.'"
Jeremiah 28:9 …"The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the Lord hath truly sent him."
The word "Islam" also signifies tranquility, harmony and peace. This prophecy of Jeremiah cannot be applied to Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him –, as he himself stated that he didn't come for peace: Luke 12:51-53
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you nay, but rather division, for from henceforth there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
Also see Matt 10:34-36….."Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's foes will be those of his own household."
At the end of my analysis of Old Testaments, I cant leave you without a ‘Sparkling’ verse from Deuteronomy, but before that, please, have a look at the speech of Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century. It was Friday, the 8th of May 1840. His theme — "The Hero as Prophet" His audience: were Anglicans — English Christians.
"A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD: A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD -NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT; WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA (Spain) ON THIS HAND, AT DELHI (India) ON THAT; - GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LIFE-GIVING. THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET, AND THAT ONE CENTURY, - IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK UNNOTICEABLE SAND; BUT LO, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA! I SAID, THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS AS LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL, AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME." (Emphasis mine)
Now, let us come to that ‘Sparkling’ verse of the Bible
"They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they (the Jews) have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are Not A People; I will provoke them to anger with a Foolish Nation." Deuteronomy 32:21
Alas how true!
Anyone with a modicum of Scriptural knowledge will be able to guess who in the eyes of these arrogant, racist Jews is "not a people" — a non-entity and "a foolish nation" if not the Ishmaelite cousins — the Arabs who in the words of Thomas Carlyle have been "ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERT SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD."!?
THE ARABS.
Alexander the Great passed them by:
the Persians passed them by;
the Egyptians passed them by;
and the Romans passed them by.
It would have been an absolute liability for any nation to conquer and colonize them. But the Creator did not pass them by. He picked them up from the depths of darkness and transformed them into torch-bearers of light and learning to the world. "I will move them (the Jews) to Jealousy".
This jealousy is a cultivated sickness. Remember, Sarah and Hagar the two wives of Abraham – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them – the Friend of God. The jealousy of Sarah was bequeathed to her children and onto the nations and tribes yet unborn.
From the Old Testament, let us now come to the New Testament.
In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said… "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9
One of the meanings of the word "Islam" is peace. Jesus could not mean that his mission was that of a peacemaker, as he stated clearly that he had not been sent for that purpose Matt 10:34-36:
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's foes will be those of his own household."
See also Luke 12:51-53.
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you nay, but rather division, for from henceforth there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
Matthew 3:11 …"I [John the Baptist] indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire."
If Jesus was alluded to here, John the Baptist would not have gone back to live in the desert again, but would have clung to him and become one of his disciples, which he did not do. Thus John was alluding to another Powerful prophet here. The one coming after John the Baptist could not be Jesus, as both were contemporaries. Here again, was it not Prophet Muhammad who was being alluded to by John the Baptist – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –?
Concerning Deuteronomy chapter 18, there are more than 15 reasons as to how this prophecy refers to Muhammad and NOT to Jesus – peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon them –.
Hey Tony, Do you "see!" how the prophecies fit Muhammad like a glove.
We, Muslims do not have to stretch prophecies with “ gravity defying illogical reasons “ to justify their fulfilment in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
With these, I end with following verse from the Noble Qur’An Ch 11: 17….
“ Can he, then, who stands upon a clear proof from his Lord, and to testify to whose truth a witness from HIM shall follow him, and who was preceded by the Book of Moses, a guide and a mercy, be an impostor ? Those who are the true followers of Moses believe therein, and whoever of the opposing parties disbelieve in it, the Fire shall be his promised place. So be not thou, O reader, in doubt about it. Surely, it is the truth from thy Lord; but most men believe not.!! “
Peace !!
PART : VIII ( End )
There's nothing like watching a volcano when it blows; there's also nothing like finding yourself in a veritable Goshen when it does.
In response to your long post, I want to make some preliminary remarks before I take the time to answer it.
Given:
1) the short period of time in which you cranked out your lengthy reply,
2) the evident difference in the diction and style of your recent reply as compared to the way you have written in our previous correspondence,
and 3) the fact that your reply reads more like an essay than the it does an informal dialogue such as we have been having,
you will understand it, I hope, when I say that I was suspicious about its origins.
As I have said before, I have no desire to think that you are insincere or that you lack the requisite zeal of one who professes to believe in the only true God, the God of all truth and of the final judgment, but the above tell-tale signs that something was up were just too much for this truth-loving soul to bear.
In other words, it was hard to avoid thinking that, you didn't really write this response but borrowed it from elsewhere, all the while trying leave the impression that it was from you (even if you slightly, and only slightly, altered it in places in an attempt to give it a personal touch).
But just so you know, it wasn't very hard for me to discover that you lifted large portions of your answer wholesale from a lecture given by the late Muslim apologist - Ahmed Deedat. Indeed, various versions of it are all over the Internet ["What the Bible Says About Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), the Prophet of Islam].
Although this should weigh heavy on your conscience, I won't beat you over the head with it. It is enough for me to note it, and call on you to show more integrity in the rest of our dialogue.
Such practice could hardly be expected to reflect well on your claim that Allah is the true God, and that Muhammad spoke his words. Surely, when you ascribe someone else's words to yourself, you make it even harder to believe that the words ascribed to a god named Allah in the Qur'an weren't just those of a man named Muhammad. Plagarism is as Plagarism does.
mgsgtbvani wrote :
Hi Tony,
Just read your post and surprised at your reaction !
Why ?
I did not make any claim that all I posted were my own works.
Ofcourse I availed the facilities provided by Islamic websites and Islamic Scholars to defend our Faith against Disbelievers who spread lies and mischiefs !
Besides, the points and arguments I posted did it change the facts ?
Unlike you, I post quotations from relevant Authorities.
Unlike you I dont make accusations nor allegations without quoting from relevant Authorities.
Example, I said that your Bible have errors and contradictions. With responsibility I provided many quotes from the Bible to this effect !
Unlike you, you allege the Noble Qur'an is littered with contradictions.
I ask you several times to quote the contradictions from the Noble Qur'An.
TILL NOW YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A SINGLE QUOTE WHICH WILL SUPPORT YOUR ALLEGATIONS !!
By your High Christian Standards...What you call a person who make allegations without proofs ??
I have already provided you about 40 errors and contradictions from the Bible, which you have been silent.
" Silence means acceptance. "
I have hundreds, if not thousands of Bible contradictions and errors available at anytime if you have the appetite for it.
I am more qualified than you to say that " The Holy bible is LITTERED WITH ERRORS AND CONTRADICTIONS !! "
Enough said !
Now focus the job in hand and make " rational responses " backed up by " RELEVANT AUTHORITIES " to refute my earlier postings.
I am NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION WITHOUT SUPPORTING FACTS !!
Since you will take some time to respond to my postings, I would also like to put forward a question to you in your " comfort zone ".
Please show where in the Old Testament it says about the coming of a Messiah whose name is " Jesus ??"
This question will not take much effort, isnt it ??
mgsgtbvani wrote :
“ Plagarism is as Plagarism does. “
Hi Tony,
I find it very, very amusing that you look upon “ plagiarism ” as great offense !!
Do you know that “ YOU are VERY, VERY UNCHRISTIAN ???
PLAGIARISM is “ PART & PARCEL ” of “ CHRISTIANITY !!!! ”
Don’t believe ????
Here is a quote from JB Phillips :
The Gospels Translated into Modern English by J B Phillips
The Gospel of Matthew.
In the preface to the Gospel of Matthew, JB Phillips wrote..." Has plainly drawn on the mysterious "Q" ....." He has used Mark’s Gospel feely...".
According to Christendom, The Holy Bible including The Gospels are “ INSPIRED “ words of God !!
So what do you call this ??
Is it "Original" or "Plagiarism ?"
Even your God and "Holy Spirit" indulge in plagiarism !!!
Do you want to see “ PERFECT ” Plagiarism ?
I am not joking !
When I say Perfect I mean "100PCT" PLAGIARISM !!!
Come, lets take a trip down to :
Isaiah Ch 37 & 2Kings Ch 19.
Please ask your wonderful wife to open Isaiah Ch 37 and you, Tony open 2 Kings Ch 19.
Together, both of you read at same time.
Enjoy the Rhymes !!
An after thought, It is quite accurate to also call
" The Holy Bible of Plagiarism ?? "
You made my day !
Thank you.
To say that I was nonplussed by your last two response(s) would be an understatement.
After denying in one post that you were guilty of plagiarism, you turned around in the next post and proceeded to defend why it was okay for you to engage in such deceitful behavior.
Not only that, but you even tried to justify your own deceitful use of someone else’s words by imputing the same thing to the authors of Scripture, but people who are not suffering from your Muhammadan case of Jaundice are not likely to fall for such subterfuge. (For your info, the authors of Scripture could hardly be guilty of copying from the “mystical Q” document, since no such thing is known to have ever existed. There is not a single manuscript fragment or even a single reference to such a thing in all of antiquity; Q is just as much a sophisticated fiction of scholars as the idea of Muslims that there are prophecies for Muhammad in the Bible, a subject I will come to momentarily.)
But as I said, I have no special interest in beating you over the head on this, and I only brought it up again because your own conscience wouldn’t allow you to let it go. But if you want to strut about again, if you want to parade your sin around, if you want to placard it some more by trying to defend it rather than letting the issue pass away in silence (or repentance, but that might be too much to ask), then by all means go ahead. Just don’t expect me to pat you on the head and tell you what a good boy you were for being too lazy to write your own reply, or commend you for just how dishonest you were to try and palm someone else’s words as if they were your own.
As for your scurrilous attacks on Scripture, I have already pointed the following things out to you:
a) Although it is a most important subject, since it is not the direct subject that we are presently talking about, it is a red-herring for you to bring up. You are supposed to be proving that Muhammad was a prophet, and I am supposed to be showing how your proof fails. We can’t discuss everything at once, and to bring up claims about textual corruption, inconsistencies and contradictions, and the like only serves as a distraction intended to keep me from scrutinizing your (er, um, I mean, Deedat’s) case for Muhammad.
b) In addition, I could just as easily try to keep you too busy to respond to the subject at hand by cutting and pasting a bunch of canned objections to Islam. If that is how you want to play it, then you might as well get started answering all the contradictions in the Qur’an and the Hadith. (See here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html)
c) Furthermore, all of your objections to the Bible only serve to undercut your claim that Islam is true, that Muhammad is a prophet, and that the Qur’an is the word of God. After all:
1) According to the Qur'an, Allah's words cannot be corrupted. Since you believe the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by Allah, as the Qur'an also says, then it is logically unavoidable that you either accept the Bible as the uncorrupted Word of God, or you deny the teaching of the Qur'an. Of course I can see why you will be uncomfortable with either option, but that is what you are left with. Here is one of many relevant aya's on the matter:
"No change can there be in the words of Allah" (S. 10:64)
2) The Qur'an is even more exact in saying that the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel record were all inspired by God, and that this body of revelation, often called "The Book", was alive and well in Muhammad's day.
"And believe in what I reveal [the Qur’an], CONFIRMING the revelation WHICH IS WITH YOU [the previous Scriptures], and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone." (S. 2:41)
3) And for one final point, a point more directly relevant to THE TOPIC WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING AT THE MOMENT ("What proof is there that Muhammad was a prophet"?), the Qur'an says both that Muhammad's coming was prophesied in the Law and in the Gospel, and also that such prophecies were EXTANT and RELIABLE in his day. Since we have manuscripts from the seventh century and before, we can objectively test Muhammad's claim and see if, in fact, his coming was revealed.
“Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they WILL find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) WITH THEM. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.” (S. 7:157)
In light of the above, hopefully we can now follow our present discussion through without more antics on your part, and then after that we can discuss your errors regarding the text of the Bible.
I will post my response later this evening (Lord Willing).
mgsgtbvani
Oh, I almost forgot. Quit spamming the comments section. It is enough that I have left your eight-part plagiarism intact, and that I have allowed you to ramble as much as you have.
However, cluttering the comments section with off-topic remarks will only get them deleted.
If there is an article that really tittilates you for some reason, then please just provide the link and don't cut and paste the whole thing here.
Ditto for the conversations with other people that are off topic. No need to send them to the comments section. If it is a psychological quirk and you just can't help yourself, then just send them to my e-mail.
Hi Tony,
You wrote in 2nd para ::
"... At the same time he has been calling on me to prove that Jesus was/is God..."
This statement you made is NOT CORRECT !
I ask please show where in Bible JESUS SPOKE UNEQUIVOCALLY "I AM GOD" or " WORSHIP ME ".
This was my "CRYSTAL CLEAR" QUESTION !!
I am still waiting for you to produce either one of this quotation from the Bible.
ONLY ONE QUOTATION WILL SUFFICE !
Peace !
Hi Tony,
Im sorry if you feel I’ve cluttered your comments section.
It was not my intention.
Ok I will post briefly the following article :
“ Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible “
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.
More details, visit:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece
For Tony Ric,
Please advise whether are there any difference between Catholic Bible and Protestant Bible in respect to Genesis, matthew and Revelations ?
Thank you.
mgsgtvani wrote :
Hi Tony,
" Family Time "
All of us have many commitments.
One of the most important commitment, no compromise !!! is
Family commitment..to spend quality time with our loved ones.
I dont want you to compromise your "famly time " to respond to my earlier posts.
Please promise you will not do it.
Thank you.
mgs wrote :
** To say that I was nonplussed by your last two response(s) would be an understatement.
>> My late gramps used to say…if the cap suits you, put it on !
** After denying in one post that you were guilty of plagiarism, you turned around in the next post and proceeded to defend why it was okay for you to engage in such deceitful behavior.
>> It seems you cant handle “ crystal clear “ straight forward reply. I am sorry I am not adept in making twisted words replies.
So, I shall make another attempt to reply in “ crystal clear “ straight forward manner.
Islamic Scholars have been making clarion calls to the muslim community to avail and equip ourselves with the necessary knowledge from their websites to refute anti – Islam “gladiators “ who spread lies and false allegations ( without proofs or out of context) against Islam.
I have researched and used their resources to present the case for Biblical Prophesy for Prophet Muhammed.
I will not hesitate to use my Islamic Scholars resources again and again and again !
Fyi I am linked with sami zaatari, answering Christianity, zakir naik, deedat etc etc.
I am quite aware of the ingenious exploits of answering islam team and the thrashing they received from Islamic sources including the Learned Arabic speaking Dr Campbell at the hands of Zakir Naik.
I am not your everyday muslim you meet in youtube.
So, if copying is plagiarism, so be it. I am after all an ordinary man with limited resources !
On the same score, The Gospels “ cannot be inspired “ because they were copied.
BY YOUR STRICT STANDARDS :
the HOLY BIBLE is not only guilty of plagiarism but ALSO GUILTY OF A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER CRIME FOR DUPING MILLIONS, BILLONS THAT “ IT IS INSPIRED !! “
** Not only that, but you even tried to justify your own deceitful use of someone else’s words by imputing the same thing to the authors of Scripture, but people who are not suffering from your Muhammadan case of Jaundice are not likely to fall for such subterfuge.
>> I & Bible agree ! I am guilty of deceit and THE HOLY BIBLE IS ALSO GUILTY OF MUCH MUCH BIGGER DECEIT.
** (For your info, the authors of Scripture could hardly be guilty of copying from the “mystical Q” document, since no such thing is known to have ever existed. There is not a single manuscript fragment or even a single reference to such a thing in all of antiquity; Q is just as much a sophisticated fiction of scholars as the idea of Muslims that there are prophecies for Muhammad in the Bible, a subject I will come to momentarily.)
>> Have you heard of the drunken driver with wobbly legs insisting hes walking a straight line when brought to the station !! By your standards this Drunkard is talking crap !!
** But as I said, I have no special interest in beating you over the head on this, and I only brought it up again because your own conscience wouldn’t allow you to let it go. But if you want to strut about again, if you want to parade your sin around, if you want to placard it some more by trying to defend it rather than letting the issue pass away in silence (or repentance, but that might be too much to ask), then by all means go ahead. Just don’t expect me to pat you on the head and tell you what a good boy you were for being too lazy to write your own reply, or commend you for just how dishonest you were to try and palm someone else’s words as if they were your own.
>> I & Bible agree. I am evil, have no conscience for duping Tony and shamelessly parading my sins for all to see.
The HOLY BIBLE IS BIGGER EVIL, HAVE NO CONSCIENCE FOR DUPING MILLIONS, BILLIONS AND SHAMELESSLY PARADING HER SINS THRU OUT THE “ FOUR CORNERS” OF THE WORLD FOR ALL TO SEE .
Also I agree I am dishonest and guilty as charged.
The Holy Bible is the LORD OF DISHONESTY FOR DUPING MILLIONS, BILLIONS AND GUILTY AS CHARGED !!
I AND THE HOLY BIBLE DESERVED TO BE CURSED AND RECEIVE SEVERE PUNISHMENT LIKE 2 BEARS SHREDDING US TO PIECES LIKE WHAT ELI’JAH DID TO 40 CHILDREN !!
** As for your scurrilous attacks on Scripture, I have already pointed the following things out to you:
>> Tony, people living in glass houses shud not throw bricks !
** a) Although it is a most important subject, since it is not the direct subject that we are presently talking about, it is a red-herring for you to bring up.
>> Have you forgotten you unilaterally added another tune to Biblical Prophesy. I was compelled to provide the chorus.
** You are supposed to be proving that Muhammad was a prophet, and I am supposed to be showing how your proof fails.
>> Remove your blinkers, please.
I am supposed to provide proofs to confirm the biblical prophesies were referring to Prophet Muhammed.
If you don’t agree, you are suppose to submit your candidate.
Together we will evaluate both candidates credentials to determine which candidate is most suitable.
Up to now, you have not provided your candidate.
In any court of law, the party with the proofs wins the case, hands down !! Surely you aware of this.
Accept this fact like a matured, rational adult !!
** We can’t discuss everything at once, and to bring up claims about textual corruption, inconsistencies and contradictions, and the like only serves as a distraction intended to keep me from scrutinizing your (er, um, I mean, Deedat’s) case for Muhammad.
>> we were discussing about the subject on Prophet Muhammed’s Prophesy in the Bible..
Who started accusing “ the Qur’an is lttered with contradictions? “
Who made this irresponsible allegations without proofs??
Who, politely asked repeatedly to submit the proofs of allegation ??
>> NOW !!! Stop whining like a mummy’s boy !!!
** b) In addition, I could just as easily try to keep you too busy to respond to the subject at hand by cutting and pasting a bunch of canned objections to Islam.
>> You were about to strike but, I beat you pre emptively !
** If that is how you want to play it, then you might as well get started answering all the contradictions in the Qur’an and the Hadith. (See here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html)
>> You accused me of being too lazy. ????
Jesus reprimand you for being like the pharasees..” Don’t practise what you preach !!
c) Furthermore, all of your objections to the Bible only serve to undercut your claim that Islam is true, that Muhammad is a prophet, and that the Qur’an is the word of God. After all:
>> I provide proofs.
You make allegations without proofs.
Who is undercutting whose religion ???
1) According to the Qur'an, Allah's words cannot be corrupted. Since you believe the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by Allah, as the Qur'an also says, then it is logically unavoidable that you either accept the Bible as the uncorrupted Word of God, or you deny the teaching of the Qur'an. Of course I can see why you will be uncomfortable with either option, but that is what you are left with.
>> You are dead wrong !!
I am very comfortable.
Heres the reason.
According to Christians the Torah consist of the first 5 books of the OT.
Did Moses write these first 5 books ?
If your answer is yes then…next question.
AFTER MOSES DIED !! Moses wrote his own obituary ??
Can you see this lie attributed to Moses.
Did Moses warn his people not to commit such deceit ??
Deut 4:2 : Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
I have provided you about 40 errors and contradictions.
I have hundreds more, if not thousands of errors and contradictions.
Is this not clear enough to confirm the Bible’s corruption ?
Tony do you need further reconfirmation that the Holy Bible is indeed corrupted and littered with rotten, creeping worms ??
See Jeremiah 8 : 8…."How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a LIE. (RSV Bible)"
FOR THOSE WHO CAN’T READ, INDEED THEY ARE TRULY BLIND !!!
What about the Noble Qur’an …..Is the Noble Qur’an corrupted ??
Allah Almighty Said: "Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. (The Noble Quran, 4:82)"
Allah The Merciful is appealing to His creation to use Allah’s “ gift of sight “ and ‘ gift of intellect “ to see and realize the Distinct Contrast between “ PURITY “ and a can of rotten, creeping worms !!
(Tony will ask)…then what about the Gospel of Jesus ?
(My respond)….where is your Gospel of Jesus ???
So you see Tony the paradox of this exchange, the more you try to run down Islam, Qur’an and Prophet Muhammed the more “ rotten worms “ are creeping out of your Holy, Holy Bible.
The Bible is so corrupted that Allah The Merciful sent down The Noble Qur’an to establish HIS TRUTH !!
Allah says in the Noble Qur’an that “ He will guard it against man’s corruption.
One of HIS method, to keep NOBLE QUR’AN 100PCT PURE, HE made many, many, many Muslims from Prophet muhammed’s time upto present time to be able to memorise the Noble Qur’an from the FIRST LETTER TO THE LAST LETTER !!
Did you hear of this case in Egypt in the 1970s.
A cobbler who is a ‘hafiz’, one who have memorise the Noble Qur;an, was walking home. He passed by a row of houses. He heard a child reciting the Noble Qur’an. He stopped ! Took few steps back and told the child to repeat the previous verse. On further scrutiny, he discovered many passages were altered especially those verses rebuking the jews for their stubbornness and deceitful ways.
These devious people ( no prize for correct guess) had distributed their corrupted version to several countries.
All this corrupted versions were traced, collected and made into bonfires.
ALLAH’s PROMISE TO GUARD THE PURITY OF THE NOBLE QUR’AN IS TRUE !!
Peace !
Hi Tony,
Peace be unto you !
Some urgent matters cropped up.
Will be away for about a week.
Will contact you upon my return.
Meantime hope with this respite, you are able to marshall your answering islam team to provide a " water tight " case for your appointed candidate.
I too am very sure that my Brother Scholars will be most happy to indulge in new challanges.
Hi Tony,
Peace be unto you !
Im back !
peace !
Christian Missionaries have corrupted the Holy Verses of the Noble Qur'an.
Hi Tony,
peace be unto you and your wonderful family.
I was just speaking the other day about Lucifer's Servants who tried to corrupt/alter the " Divine " message in the Noble Qur'an in the 1970s.
I have today received " attachments " of corrupted text of the Noble Qur'an propagated by another of Lucifer's Appointed Servants i.e. Christian Missionaries in Malaysia.
If you are interested to receive this " corrupted " text, please let me have your personal email.
" My Islamic Religion STRICTLY FORBIDS me from making allegations without proofs !! "
I hope your Denomnation is not an accomplice to Lucifer's " Grand Plan " to deviate Adam's Progeny from worshipping the One True God.
Meantime Allah says in the Noble Qur'an...
" We have, without doubt, sent down the message; and we will assuredly guard it (from corruption)...Noble Qur'an Ch15: 9
This 2nd failed attempt by enemies of Islam, further reenforces that the Noble Qur'an is " Truly the Words " of Allah, The Absolute One, The Eternal, Lord and Creator of ALL the Worlds !
Amen !
mgs wrote :
Hi Tony,
Peace be unto you and your family
How are you ?
You wrote last Sat 9/13 you will post your response in the evening.
I don’t see it on your blog.
Is your response all ready ?
Frankly, after many days of silence , I strongly feel this discussion on Biblical Prophesy on Prophet Muhammed is beyond you.
No reflection on your competency.
To challenge the person of Prophet Muhammed, you cannot handle single handedly.
You will need an army !!
How much more time do you need to provide a response ??
Please bear in mind, we are discussing about a “Formula 1 “ race .
I am having a Ferrari.
Just because FORD is a car does not mean it earns a right to grace the shadow of the Ferrari’s parking spot.
The other day, another Loud American brought along his Harvester to compete in the same race.
Politely I told him to return the Harvester to the fields, where it will be of much use to the Farmers.
Im informing you in advance as sometimes you get tired of repeating same old tune.
Peace and best wishes to you and your family !
Hello mgsgtbavani,
Since you didn't write any response to my question, instead you only plagiarized a response from someone else, I think I have all the time I want to take to answer "your" post.
I did plan on having something done that evening, but several things came up, including a technical computer issue. Hence, the wisdom of James who taught us to add "Lord willing" to our plans. As we are reminded in many ways every day - man proposes, but God disposes. And as the book of Proverbs says: "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but the Lord directs his steps."
Don't get too excited just yet. You may have a Ferrari, but on top of not being able to drive it yourself, you are about to run out of gas.
Also, my family is fine. Thanks.
Tony
Hi Tony,
Welcome back !
***Since you didn't write any response to my question, instead you only plagiarized a response from someone else,
>> Tony, Tony, Tony,
The One and Only Incorruptible Tony.
Your judgement on the following, please !
Deut 6 : 4….” Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: “
Mark 12 : 29...” Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: “
Prosecution filed criminal proceedings for the following crimes against :
01)One party guilty of plagiarizing from the other.
Dear Lord Tony, The Impeccable, The Incorruptible,
Prosecution have presented the evidence and Your ‘ Incorruptible’ Lordship’s ‘ incorruptible ‘ judgement is required for the sentence and punishment to be meted out to the guilty party.
Dear ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship, please take into consideration the severity of the crime.
Deut 6 :4 is about 3500 years ago with present day following of about 7 million jews.
When the Zionist were carrying out ‘ TERRORIST ‘ activities in Palestine like setting up many many bombings where mostly innocent civilians were the victims instead of their intended targets, the Late Mao Tze Tung offered to house ‘ all of these zionist mosquitoes ‘ in one of his governors backyard. The jewish population then was about3-4 million.
So this Plagiarizer’s crime is considered less serious because of the small population !
Mark12:29…is about 2000 years old with present day following of about 2,000,000,000 ( 2 billion) blind and gullible Followers.
When we calculate the number of deaths of This Plagiarizer’s Followers for the last 2000 years, a conservative estimate wud be about 500,000,000 ( including “ DARK DAYS” of The Inquisition Era etc)
This is only an estimated figure and your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship is free to adjust upwards or downwards.
For sake of calculation and to assist Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship to come to an ‘ incorruptible ‘ judgement, the number of Followers ‘ hoodwinked ‘ by this Shameless Plagiarizer is about 2,500,000,000 ( 2.5 billion) worldwide.
I await Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship’s judgement with great anticipation.
Next Charge : Prosecution file 8 charges against one party who goes by a misnomer “Holy Bible “.
Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship after I have read out the charges, Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship will no doubt agree and confirm that this name “ Holy Bible “ is indeed a MISNOMER !!
02) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of initiating the thought to plagiarize
03) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of encouraging plagiarizing
04) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of providing the means to plagiarize
05) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of committing the act of plagiarizing
06) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of harbouring a criminal within its premises
07) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of offering safe refuge for the plagiarized document
08) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of concealing this crime for last 3500/2000 years ( depending who is guilty)
09) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of being the mastermind of this serious crime. The Plagiarizer was only a PAWN IN THE GRAND SCAM !!
10) HOLY BIBLE is GUILTY of ‘ GROSS MISREPRESENTATION “ by misleading her BLIND AND GULLIBLE FOLLOWERS into believing that its name is ‘ HOLY BIBLE ‘ WHEN NO SUCH NAME EXIST IN THE THE HOLY BIBLE !
Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship, this ‘ Unscrupulous’ Imposter who calls himself “ The Holy Bible “ is also guilty of many, many other crimes like, errors, contradictions, additions, omissions, misrepresentation, jugglery of words and meanings, pornography, fiction etc etc. The list is very, very long. Even my monthly grocery list which usually is about 1 car length cannot be measured with Imposter’s 50,000 strong according to Mr Jehovah Witness.
Further Your ‘ Incorruptible ‘ Lordship, in the just ended Olympics in China, The Chinese Government “ BANNED “ the importation of “ Holy Bible ‘ brought into China by her Blind and Gullible Followers.
The ‘ Holy Bible ‘ contains so much of ‘ Filth ‘ that compelled the Chinese Government to take ‘ Drastic ‘ to protect the Chinese Population from being corrupted.
Errhhh, your ‘ Impeccable ‘ Lordship, the Chinese Government allowed the Muslim Athletes to bring in their ‘ Noble Qur’an ‘ becus it contained ‘ 100 pct purity‘ .
Erhhh, your Lordship shall I prepare the lethal jab, the chair or the rope for this Imposter who goes by the name “ HOLY BIBLE “ ?
*** I think I have all the time I want to take to answer "your" post.
>> Wise decision ! I think in the short space of time that we have become pally pally, this is your first wise decision. Keep it up buddy, you doing alright !
Ahh btw, have you rounded up your army ??
Tell you what, your answering islam team, few of them suffered very, very humiliating losses. One when berserk. Another the moderator became doubtful and pointedly asked..” Are you making this up ?.. a shameful question directed at his credibility in front of millions of viewers.
Then another came, a retired doctor, an expert in the arab language, with an ego the size of king kong. Before even the debate ended this retired doctor kong’s size ego was reduced to a fraction of your wife’s smallest pancake.
>> A brotherly advise, exercise positive discrimination with the company you wish to associate. Associating with losers makes you a loser.
*** I did plan on having something done that evening, but several things came up, including a technical computer issue.
>> No worries buddy, like I mentioned earlier take your time. Organize a proper army. Only don’t conveniently sweep it under the carpet till eternity.
Prophet Muhammed is not your usual world leader. He is indeed an Universal Leader. Before, Now and Future !
** Hence, the wisdom of James who taught us to add "Lord willing" to our plans.
>> You are practising Islamic teachings. We muslims say “ Insha ALLAH “ meaning “ If God wills “.
This was taught by Prophet Muhammed 1400 years ago.
This fella James..did he lived before the time of Prophet Muhammed ?
Please, please don’t worry I wont accuse James or you of plagiarising.
Only very small minds look at all things in the world in 2 tone colours only !!
You know this loud Americano I mentioned earlier who brought his harvester farm machine to race with my Ferrari.
He has a warm disposition, very loud voice annnnnndd…mmmm ok a….a….. not so big mind.
What I mean by ‘ not so big mind ‘
You see this Americano, without hesitation and without fear… blaspheme against The One True God by calling him 3in1 god, 1in3 go, trinity god, mangod, godman etc etc
By the same token he is very, very afraid to commit blasphemy against A MAN !!!
Can you imagine this man NEVER , NEVER SAID “ I AM GOD “ nor did he say “ WORSHIP ME !!
This MAN SAID “ I OF MINE OWN SELF CAN DO NOTING !!! “
This loud Americano say that this man created the world ! Its just Unbelievable !! Incredible !!
This loud Americano was afraid to commit blasphemy against this man. This man who was born a baby, who caused his mother to be unclean for 40 days because of giving birth to him. This man who depended on his mother’s milk for survival. This man depended on his mother to clean him up after answering the call of nature etc.
This man could not help himself.
This man would have died had his mother neglected in any of her mother’s duty .
In short this man was helpless !!!
Yet this Americano with a loud voice and small mind say…this man created the Universe including you and me !!
This Americano with loud voice small mind say..This man is the ALL POWERFUL GOD ????
Can you see how this Americano ‘ close ’ his small mind.
Hey Tony,
In my country there is a saying .. “ a frog in the well thinks the size of the sky is as large as the opening of the well “
Do you have similar saying in your country.
>>I think next round I will inform this loud affable Americano about froggie..Hopefully his mind will open up and not remain like froggie two legs.
** As we are reminded in many ways every day - man proposes, but God disposes.
>> In Qur’an ..Allah says… He givest to whom He pleases He takest from whom He pleases and none can withhold or release.
***And as the book of Proverbs says: "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but the Lord directs his steps."
>> In Qur’An Allah says O mankind plan as much as you like, but I am the Absolute Master Planner !
** Don't get too excited just yet.
>> Its nice to see an aura of built up confidence.
Hope you don’t be like dr Campbell.
** You may have a Ferrari,
>> Its good you recognize it before the race otherwise I may have to bear another round of mummy’s boy whining.
** but on top of not being able to drive it yourself,
>> You got a hold on me, why delay ?
Start, vrooomm
** you are about to run out of gas.
>> that case I better bring a spare tank. Thanks !
** Also, my family is fine.
>> Happy for you. May The One True Almighty God shower his blessings on all of you.
** Thanks.
>> Not at all.
Tony
mohamed
Dear Professor Tony,
I was cruising in my Ferrari and came across an interesting article written by you.
I want to commend you for a captivating heading.
Also I would like to congratulate you for carrying out such an in depth study on ISLAM.
I must present you an award for your master piece.
Please bear with me. I have to think of a suitable award that befits such scholarly works !
Ok, accolades given...now lets get down to business.
You wrote :
July 29, 2008 The Sword Has Spoken, the Matter Is Settled
**** 2nd para
“...I'm assuming that the prima facie meaning of "the book" as a reference to the Qur'an is correct, making "the sword" either that of Mohammed or of Muslims in general.
>> Professor, don’t you know when you assume things, you make an ass of yourself ?
Please be careful ! Be mindful on your choice of words !!
****2) SINCE THE QUR’ANIC TEXT ITSELF WAS DETERMINED BY THE SWORD under Uthman, the book only says what the sword of a certain faction determined for it to say.
3) IF A MUSLIM WANTS TO BE SURE OF ENTRANCE INTO PARADISE, THE ONLY MEANS this side of that great harem in the sky IS THROUGH JIHAD IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH, i.e., THROUGH THE ACT OF FIGHTING AND SPILLING BLOOD OF INFIDELS rather than through faith or trust in the person and deeds of Allah or even by means of conformity to Allah's character and/or will as revealed in the Qur'an.
HENCE, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE VERACITY AND REAL CHARACTER OF MOHAMMEDANISM, THEN you must ultimately look past all the idle remarks and spilled ink about mercy and compassion and LOOK TO ALL THE SPILLED BLOOD INSTEAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE INK IS NOT WITHOUT COPIOUS REFERENCES TO THE SWORD ANYWAY.
>> Dear, Dear Professor Tony,
From your in depth study on ISLAM, could you please quote ONLY ONE PASSAGE ( in full context)from the Noble Qur’an, showing gory details of spilling blood of infidels, to give credibility to your Professorship.
While you are poring over on your research notes to decide which one of the numerous Qur’anic quotations will be most suitable to enhance your Professorial integrity, I would like to add my two cents worth to the captivating heading.
001) Hosea 13:16(New Living Translation ) –
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army,
" THEIR LITTLE ONES DASHED TO DEATH AGAINST THE GROUND, THEIR PREGNANT WOMEN RIPPED OPEN BY SWORDS ".
002) Nahum 3 : 10…
Yet Thebes fell, and her people were led away as captives.
" HER BABIES WERE DASHED TO DEATH AGAINST THE STONES OF THE STREETS !! "
003) Isaiah 13 : 15
Anyone who is captured will be cut down...RUN THROUGH WITH A SWORD
16." THEIR LITTLE CHILDREN WILL BE DASHED TO DEATH BEFORE THEIR EYES..."
Their homes will be sacked, AND
" THEIR WIVES WILL BE RAPED !! "
004) Psalms 137 : 8
O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one " WHO TAKE YOUR BABIES AND SMASHES THEM AGAINST THE ROCKS !! "
Dear Professor Tony,
Please allow me to pick your brains a little bit.
What is your Professorial view on the above ??
Oh Professor ! I see you are in deep thought !!
Is this not genocide ??
What wrong did the poor children and babies do to suffer such horrible deaths !!!!
Is this not cruelty of the highest order ?
Oh ! Professor, another thing, do you see the blood trickling, dripping or flowing out of men, women, children and babies ???
Professor, Professor,
What was your Jesus view about this God “ Inspired “ Godly cruelty ?
Did Jesus accept it or reject it ??
Professor, Professor,
You said Jesus came to teach about “ LOVE “.
So did Jesus banned such atrocities ??
Oh ! Learned Professor is again in deep thought !
Come, come Learned Professor, let me assist you with my two cents worth !!
Jesus said : Matthew 5:17-18
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.
Jesus said :Matthew 23:1-3)
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'
So Learned Professor,
According to Jesus the Old Law must still be followed.
Learned Professor respond,
No, No. You dont understand ! You dont understand the Bible AT ALL !!!
I am a Learned Professor. I know the Holy Bible and the Quran inside out.
Otherwise how can I become a Professor.
DONT YOU KNOW I AM PROFESSOR OF BIBLE STUDIES AND THE QURAN !!
Jesus came to this world to die for our sins. Upon his death and resurrection , THE MOSAIC LAWS WERE CANCELLED !!
Trust me, I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. REMEMBER I AM A PROFESSOR , MAJORING IN BIBLE STUDIES and QURAN !!
PLEASE REST ASSURED, I, PROFESSOR TONY DONT LIE. I HAVE INTEGRITY !!
The Quran teach the muslims to KILL, KILL, KILL ALL INFIDELS.
ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD!!!
THE QURAN IS EVIL. IT IS A BOOK FROM THE DEVIL HIMSELF !!! .
My response :
Ok , OK Professor, you know best about the Bible and the Qur’an.
I am only an ordinary layman.
Learned Professor, Learned Professor,
If you say that the Mosaic Laws were cancelled with Jesus death and resurrection, can you please advise me on the following :
005)Revelation 2:22-23
“ Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
“ AND I WILL KILL HER CHILDREN WITH DEATH;”
and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Professor, Professor,
I cant hear your words !!
Please open your mouth when you speak.
What !! you suffering from lock-jaw ??
OK, OK don’t worry, I have just the medicine for you.
006)Noble Qur’an say : Ch 5 : 32
“ For that reason, We decreed for the children of Israel,
" If SOMEONE KILLS A HUMAN BEING "
- unless as a penalty for murder, or unless it is to prevent the spread of corruption in the world –
" IT IS AS IF HE HAS KILLED THE ENTIRE HUMANITY "
" AND IF SOMEONE SAVES A LIFE, IT IS AS IF HE HAS SAVED THE ENTIRE HUMANITY "
Certainly, (all) Our messengers had brought to them the clear (irrefutable) proofs. Despite that, most people in the world continue to commit (outrageous) excesses.
007) Noble Qur’an Ch 2 :
(190) In the path of Allah, FIGHT THOSE WHO WAGE A WAR AGAINST YOU. BUT DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMIT. ALLAH DOES NOT LIKE THE TRANSGRESSORS.
(191) Kill them wherever you find them. Expel them from where they drove you away. Persecution and oppression are worse than killing. Do not do battle with them near the sacred house of worship (Makkah), unless it is they who engage you in battle there. If they fight you there, then slay them (there). That is the due punishment for the disbelievers.
(192) If they desist, then of course Allah is the most Forgiving and the most Merciful.
(193) Fight (and confront) them till corruption and repression cease, and until faith in Allah (and justice) prevails! But if they desist, then let there be no aggression, except against the oppressors.
(194) The sacred months are (of course) the sacred months. (But) there is retribution for (the violation of) every prohibition. Therefore, if they violate the prohibition (and attack you), then you may do the same in retaliation against the aggression they commit. But, know (for sure) that Allah is indeed with the pious.
008) Noble Qur’an Ch 41 : 34
“...Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."
009) Noble Qur’an Ch 42:40
"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong."
010) Noble Qur’an Ch 3: 134
" Those who spend(freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good....."
011) Noble Qur'an Ch 109:
(1) Say, `O ye disbelievers !
(2)`I worship not as you worship,
(3)`Nor do you worship as I worship.
(4)`Nor do I worship those that you worship,
(5)`Nor do you worship Him Whom I worship.
(6)`For you your religion, and for me my religion
Ahhh Professor, Professor,
Just now your mouth was shut !
Now why is your mouth open ?
There are many flies flying in your Library !!!
Ahhhh ! Professor, Professor,
I promised earlier to give you an award.
I know just the right award !!
Which of the two would you prefer, Learned Professor.....
An American Donkey or a Jerusalem ASS ????
Best wishes to you and your family !
Peace and Truth !
mohammed wrote :
Hey Tony,
Peace ma man !
The other day I wrote about a retired doctor having an ego the size of king kong .
In actual fact kong has 3 sizes.
Recall the 3 bears bed time story where you or your wonderful wife read to your wonderful children countless times.
Well this retired doctor’s ego represented father kong.
I was surfing and surfing the net to match father kong with mother kong and baby kong, thereby completing the family tree of “ The Holy Trinity “.
Little did I realise that in fact baby kong had been knock, knock on my front door 10 days ago.
Are you following me ?
Well this was how baby kong made his entry on this site on Wednesday, September 10, 2008
“ So, please don't hesitate or be fearful to post your case here that Muhammad is a prophet, an apostle, and a messenger of God. Give us Muhammad's divine credentials to prophethood. Where is the proof that "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"?
“ I MAINTAIN THAT THERE IS NOT THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF EVIDENCE FOR SUCH A CLAIM “.
I had met the challenge instantly, almost !
Well 10 days have past since baby kong repeatedly thumped his chest accompanied by a long ‘ chilling ‘ roar !.
You and I will “ agree to agree “ that baby talk or kids talk ‘ sincerely ‘ believe that
they too can fly like ‘ superboy ‘ !!
Do me a favour, besides answering-islam website, do you know of any other sites where I can find mother kong to complete the family tree of the “ Holy Trinity “ ??
Have a good weekend !
mohammed wrote :
Hi Tony,
Remember my americano friend ?
I just send following to him.
I am extending a copy to you so that you dont blunder like him and waste everybodys' time !
Quote
What are you doing to your candidate ??
Why are you bringing in bits and pieces of scrap notes into the “ World Championship ”.
Do you understand what is a “ World Championship “ ??
Is this how you prepare your candidate to take on the World Champion ?
Cmon, cmon retty,
I expect a more professional preparation from you.
Please, please in case you are not conscious, this is no back alley street fight in one of the shanty towns bordering the Texas border.
A brotherly advise,
You are no match for the person of Prophet Muhammed !!
However if you want to indulge in fantasy, you will still need more than ‘ the whole gamut of Bush Nuclear Administration “ to take on Prophet Muhammed !!
Again I would like to remind you the weaponry used in Custer’s 7th cavalry is now obsolete. So please keep the ‘gatling’ where it rightfully belong – in the museum !
Bring on your nuclear then... maybe....maybe....you might have a chance !
Unquote
Peace !
Christians & Hindus – " Common Brotherhood "
Hi Tony,
Peace be unto you !
I may or may not be available in coming days.
I want to share something with you, of which you may or may not be aware !
Hinduism is about 5,000 years old!
I quote few quotations from Hindu Scriptures.
The main creed of Hinduism is called “ Brahma Sutra “
01) "Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan" ( Sanskrit )
"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."
Hinduism too, have many scriptures like the Bible. The Most Sacred Scriptures are the Vedas.
02) "Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"…..
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone." …[Rigveda 8:1:1]10
03) Yajurveda : The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:
a)"na tasya pratima asti…"There is no image of Him."…[Yajurveda 32:3]5
b) "shudhama poapvidham"…"He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6
c) "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.).
"They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti." [Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
Svetasvatara Upanishad Ch 4 v.19.
"Na tasya pratima asti"…"There is no likeness of Him"
Do you see the similarity of concept of God Worship between Hindu Scrptures and Bible and Qur'an ?
Why ?
Because it is coming from only ONE SOURCE, The Ultimate Creator.
What are the similarities between Christians and Hindus Followers ??
Both Groups go against the teachings of their respective scriptures.
Both Groups try to use "Heavenly“ Illogical Formulas to justify their " corrupted version " on the concept of God Worship.
Because of their obdurateness to worship God in their " Corrupted version ", today Hindus worship God in form of man, woman, idols, snakes, pigs, monkeys, cows, trees etc etc etc.
Hindus reasoning :
NO ! NO ! NO !
We worship the ONE GOD.
Muslims ask..Then why do you worship these objects, idols etc etc.
Hindus reply : No, you dont understand. We don’t worship these objects.
We are worshipping God “ IN “ these objects or “ THROUGH “ these objects or these objects is just to concentrate on God worship and on and on and on, endless perverted justifications to support their corrupted form of God Worship.
Since Hinduism is ahead of Christianity by 3000 years , Hindu followers have " progressed " to worshipping cows, snakes etc etc as mentioned above.
What about Christianity ?
From Abraham to Jesus.. all the Israelites worship “ONE “ True God.
2000 years later, Christians say they worship ‘ one god ‘ BUT IN…”1in3”, “3in1”, Man God, God Man .
Like their Hindu brothers Christians also use “ Heavenly “ Illogical Formulas to justify their perverted version on the “ Oneness “ of God.
Christian Catholics today have taken another “ progressive “ step.
They say that Mary is Mother of God. So Catholics also now pray to Mother Mary.
BUT…
Catholics say…No! No! No!
Mother Mary is Not God, Mother Mary is Mother of God.
Its nonsense !! she is a human being.
We pray to her “ like a mother “.
Catholics will say to Muslims…Tell me which mother will refuse her child’s constant cries for help..and many, many other perverted reasons similar to the Hindus.
So the ‘ progress ‘ in God Worship for Christians today has evolved from 1 to 3 +1 for catholics .
Ofcourse Christians will strongly protest and say..
You Muslims always telling lies,
No! No! No! we Christians are praying to “ One “ True God.
You Muslims don’t understand the Christian concept of worshipping the “ One ‘ True God.
Same, same reply like the Hindus !
Who knows maybe after another 3000 years Christianity would go into another ‘ progressive ‘ phase
And start worshipping monkeys, pigs donkeys etc etc.
Ahhh I forgot to mention, Human Reproductive Organs are also objects of Worship for present day Hindus.
Ofcourse they again justify this form of worship by using " heavenly " Illogical Formulas.
Same same like Christianity today. No diferrence !
Incredible ! Unbelievable ! but ITS TRUE.
So Christans and Hindus share a “ Common Brotherhood “ in Concept of God Worship
Hey Tony, as I mentioned earlier, I am not your usual everyday muslim you meet at youtube.
Best wishes and good weekend !
I have very limited access to the internet for an undetermined amount of time. For now, I would direct you to the main blog page for the first of many responses to your claims that Muhammad was a prophet.
Among your claims you said that Deuteronomy 18 foretold the coming of Muhammad.
I have refuted this idea.
Tony
Hi Tony,
01) I’m back and will be able to entertain you for several days only.
02) Why do you want to transfer further correspondence on Deut 18:18 concerning the prophecy on Prophet Muhammed to another main blog page.
I kinda like the present main blog page with your captivating “ Christian “ appeal “ Please help my Muslim Friend “.
C’mon be a “ generous hearted “ Christian and stay on this blog !!
Pssst, pssst..others might think you trying to do a “ Bush/Blair“ act i.e. “ covering up your lies by way of deceit and deception !!
03) You wrote…” for the first of many responses to your claims that Muhammad was a prophet. “.
What you mean “ for the first of many responses “ ???
After 11 days of waiting , only now, you manage to prepare “first of many responses “ ??
What happen to your earlier “ Christian “ boast… “ I MAINTAIN THAT THERE IS NOT THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF EVIDENCE FOR SUCH A CLAIM “.
Surely for making such a BIG CLAIM, I expected you to produce effortlessly your candidate with all the supporting facts….you know like how I presented my candidate with supporting facts !
Please, please do not do favours for me, by confirming the boast was made by baby kong !
04) You wrote in the main blog… “ He is having a terrible time proving his case “
I am very sure you were talking to your own self !!
05) C’mon Tony, be merciful to your being. This is a man’s job... not baby kong’s.
Make a FULL RESPONSE WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY BY PRODUCING YOUR CANDIDATE WITH SUPPORTING FACTS FOR US TO COMPARE WHICH CANDIDATE IS MOST SUITABLE !!
If you are unable to comprehend or meet this challenge then, stick to ‘superboy ‘ or ‘ simpsons ‘
.
06) You wrote on July 29, 2008 " The Sword Has Spoken, the Matter Is Settled "
I requested you on Sept 19, to quote IN FULL CONTEXT FROM THE NOBLE QUR’AN WHERE IT SHOWS THE GORY DETAILS OF “ SPILLING BLOOD OF INFIDELS “.
To date you have not been able to quote from the Noble Qur’an to support your claim.
I challenge you again to produce SUCH A QUOTATION .
I give you liberty to enlist your team as well as the whole of Christendom to assist you to produce such a quotation from the Noble Qur’an.
If you cannot ( FOR A CERTAINTY YOU CANNOT ! ), I DECLARE ANTHONY ROGERS IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN LIAR WHO, LIKE SAINT PAUL, PROMOTE LIES, DECEIT AND FALSEHOOD to carry out CHRISTIAN EVANGELISM as in
Romans Ch 3 :7 But if the truth of God THROUGH MY LIE abounded unto his glory....
Philippians Ch 1 : 18 But what does it matter? The IMPORTANT THING is that in EVERY WAY, WHETHER FROM FALSE MOTIVES or true, CHRIST IS PREACHED...(NIV)
2 Cor Ch 12:16..."But be it so, I did not burden you nevertheless, BEING CRAFTY, I CAUGHT YOU WITH GUILE."
Sorry, my friend,, I am compelled to expose you for your lies, deceit and deception !
Go, make peace with your Maker, before its too late
Wow! This "Anonymous" is a real serious source of entertainment :-). Not only is he unable to stay on topic, but he is unable to maintain a coherent semblance of linear thought.
Yet another fascinating and entertaining Muslim. What a strange and illogical lot. Thanks for the amusement "Anonymous" (and I am amazed with your patients Tony).
Thanks, Curious. I actually discontinued speaking with "Anonymous" at one point. Our dialogue took place not only here on this blog, but also through e-mail and youtube.
He would ramble far too much, had no concern for maintaining even a semblance of rationality, and also didn't mind plagiarizing and making arguments as silly as anyone could find. All of this at a time when I was having some serious computer and internet issues and I just eventually had to block him. You can read some of that on some of the other blog comments.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by.
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